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Sci-Fi Doctor Who (1963-current)

Discussion in 'Television & Web Series' started by m<o>j, Apr 3, 2005.

  1. Guest50131

    Guest50131 Rocket Ranger

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    So the real question is....

    How many times has the Doctor tried saving Clara with this same sequence?

    How many times has he relived the last 8 billion years in a time loop, creating Doctor Who the TV series 50 years ago, and then discovering her and then repeating the same events.

    over.

    and over.

    and over.

    and now he sits at the end of time writing stories.

    Stories most cannot fathom are far from fiction...

    over and over again.

    Trying to get her to come back to life...

    Maybe what he's going to discover in the next few seasons is that she's the Master.

    The one he demonized and didn't understand his entire life.
     
  2. Kevin

    Kevin Code Monkey Staff Abductee

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    What gets me is that of all of the companions the Doctor has had (or at least the ones known to us) I never really felt that there was as close of a connection with Clara as opposed to, say for example, Sarah Jane or Leela. Even in the 'New Who' series I think there was a stronger bond with Amy Pond than Clara. I get the whole "Impossible Girl" thing and that made for some interesting retconning of the Doctor Who history, I just don't think she was 'the one' to have caused the Doctor to do what he did in the finale.

    The cynic in me can't help but think that the 'somewhat happy ending' with Clara was forced upon the writers to appease the Clara fans.
     
  3. Guest50131

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    I think Clara's an avatar for a developing Timelord mind, the same mind that has been in every companion the Doctor has had prior to then, including Rose, including Amy, and so on.

    The hint for that was 'The Matrix' reference in this last episode.

    I'm of the opinion The Master' could be a Jekyll and Hyde of sorts, who can appear simultaneously to his Jekyll/Hyde Doctor's companion counterpart because he/she/it is a time traveler.

    /OR/ The TARDIS herself has gained some sanity and actually IS The Master AND/OR Clara.

    So yes, I agree. The bond isn't incredibly close with Clara, but she epitomizes what the Doctor is and has been looking for in a partner, which is longevity in a relationship - a long term partner and companion to play with and gallivant through space and time with for more than a couple years.

    Clara certainly seemed 'up' for this, overly enthusiastic, in fact, but there's something missing between her and the Doctor. Something primal. Try as she might to kiss him, or to get him to kiss her in this last few appearances, she just isn't attracted to him in that form.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see the next few years take the show in new directions of becoming a more adult oriented with potentially explicit sexual content in the next few years.

    Also, with numerous appearances of the Doctor and his counterparts in and around the California/Nevada/Arizona area, I suspect they are setting the stage for an American version of Doctor Who.

    We do, after all, have two TARDISes now, and one with a functional chameleon circuit.

    Perhaps they are leading to the creation of a BBC America version of Doctor Who featuring the ladies and a more mature - middle aged man rather than an older or younger man? A love interest for the Master in whatever form she appears, and an opportunity for the Doctor to 'cross over' to the states to interact with his counterpart?

    In any case, take the series in it's entirety - all 50 years for the lesson here.

    The Doctor's repeatedly discussed how time moves differently for him versus others and how people 'lose their minds and memories' of world saving events merely a day later.

    For the first time since Jack Harkness, you have an immortal, and for the first time you have an immortal who's actually learned over time from the Doctor and accepted who she is and merely wants to play a role with a time traveler. She doesn't seem to care who it is. She preferred the Doctor because he introduced her to the concepts to begin with, but since he's so antagonistically against long term companionship and prefers fighting monsters and evil over enjoying the sights, Clara /err/ the Master may be a perfect counterpart.

    Now they just need a man.

    Now would you watch that show?

    An American guy + Clara's avatar in an American female form + Me traveling space and time in Doctor Who, America?.

    I know I would.

    Heck. I'd write myself in as that main character.

    Then again. if I could choose my women and could go anywhere in space and time, it just might become highly pornographic. The censors would love me, that's for sure.

    My advice is to not compare Clara against the Doctor's prior companions.

    The Doctor's clearly changed from who he was with them.

    Not just in form, but in age and experience as well.

    So can his needs and desires for companions.

    Just like yours. In real life.

    Wouldn't you freak out to find out the man is real?
     
  4. Kevin

    Kevin Code Monkey Staff Abductee

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    @Q The First Timelord Well, there's always been multiple TARDIS's in the Who verse. When the Doctor first fled Gallifrey he stole a TARDIS but not the TARDIS. In the 'Classic Who' era The Master's TARDIS, with working Chameleon Circuit, was often seen.

    As for the show taking on a more 'adult' nature, I don't think that's going to happen since the BBC started it as a kids program and for the most part that is still their categorization of it.
     
  5. Guest50131

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    Personally, I long suspected the previous incarnations of the TARDIS were nothing more than the same TARDIS the Doctor used all along, remember the TARDIS can cross it's own timeline so the TARDIS isn't going to freak out at seeing newer (or older) versions of itself.

    With the Doctor not knowing fully how the TARDIS works he thinks he chameleon circuit is broken, when I suspect the chameleon circuit was quasi functional all along - adjusting itself with the times.

    Which you have to admit, the Doctor's paranoia has been persistent. everything he doesnt understand is a monster or enemy, and he's not always been in control of the TARDIS.

    As for the material in Doctor Who being aimed at children. Educational, yes, but for children?

    Sure, if you are trying to give your children nightmares.

    Doctor Who has ALWAYS been firmly aimed at the adult audience.

    And if the rest of the BBC's lineup is a 'tell' to the direction the network is heading - more risque, more adult, and more sex and mature stories, then I can guarantee you the Doctor's gonna be sexually motivated in the next season. The last few seasons have been more than suggesting this is where things are heading.

    Now how would you react if you learned the show was all true and real?

    Not just fictional?

    I'm curious ;-)

    Don't respond to that question if it is beyond your capacity to imagine that.
     
  6. Kevin

    Kevin Code Monkey Staff Abductee

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    Yes, children. As far as the UK is concerned it's a kids show. Just because something has dark tones & story lines doesn't mean it can't be for kids.
    Um, no. Not only is it considered a kids program but it has won numerous awards over the years in that category.
    That may be a topic best for it's own thread. ;)
    No reason to insult me in order to engage me.
    So one TARDIS shared by all of the time-travelling Time Lords of Gallifrey? How exactly do you see that playing out? All of the Time Lords are crossing either other's time lines?
     
  7. Kevin

    Kevin Code Monkey Staff Abductee

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    Turns out you already created a thread for that topic. :)

    Sci-Fi - Is Science Fiction real?
     
  8. Guest50131

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    As for one TARDIS.

    Use your noggin! You are clearly taking offense to the imagination thing where no insult was intended. So use that imagination you claim to have and quit looking to me for evidence of the obvious!

    Oh all right.

    Let's say the TARDIS is stolen every time the Doctor leaves it and the TARDIS experiences a billion years worth of traveling and is then returned at the same precise moment he left it, he would be none the wiser.

    The inside of the TARDIS, after all reconfigures, and can just as easily revert back to the same configuration that the Doctor left it as.

    But let's extend this out a little bit.

    What makes you think there's more than one Timelord? This enigmatic species who he always seems to know right where they are when he needs them but then when he doesn't he claims they are dead.

    Have you ever considered it is only one immortal man who occasionally goes insane and forgets he is crossing over his own timeline and creating the never ending story?

    There's plenty of evidence to suggest this is true.

    Who'd he steal the TARDIS from?

    Himself.

    Finally - Your view and mine concerning Doctor Who and BBC's perspective of it are very different. Having spent a great deal of time in the UK myself, I can assure you it is not treated as a children's show, it airs after the children are sent to bed and is watched by the vast majority of the adult population there (and not the kids - because of it's nightmarish content). If your perspective is different, then I have no doubt we run with crowds which are quite different.
     
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    screenersam This is news, Vincenzo, NEWS!

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    Dr. Who has the legacy of a kid's show. IIRC the original epis alternated between sci fi and history (Aztecs etc), sort of semi-educational.
    they keep threatening a female Doctor. I hope not.
     
  10. Guest50131

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    Ok, that I will agree on, it certainly has the legacy of a kid's show. But it's evolved well past that in recent generations, and for the first time the Doctor is actually showing genuine romantic interest in his companion, in particular with Clara with that 'near kiss', which is proving the show is changing with the times and the social climate.

    I for one welcome an American translation of Doctor Who, and would be delighted to actually play a role in the production myself. As for the inclusion of a 'female' doctor, for an Americanized version would you be against a 'cosmic couple' - a male/female Pisces like Doctor Who?

    How about this - The American Doctor sometimes loses his mind, and his partner - a sentient and very self aware female cyborg who genuinely enjoys whatever the Doctor's presenting as long as he's there.... They become a time traveling duo with a funky open polyamorous relationship to represent the more liberated American sexual climate, and while the British Doctor prefers saving the world, the American version simply prefers touring space and time and tampering with timelines and sexuality and he accidentally antagonizes the British Doctor - WHEN he loses his mind - and becomes the Master in a cosmic case of Jekkyl and Hyde.

    The 'Female' Doctor is Clara, a counterpart to the two very differently motivated males on separate continents. She is the cyborg, and she considers it her responsibility to help the American Doctor regain his sanity, because in general, she knows she needs both of them sane to really enjoy her life with both of them at the same time.

    The 'polyamorous' relationship is - she's shared, intimately, by both doctors. they BOTH have to come to terms with their possessiveness and be ok with knowing this occurs.

    There's clearly crossover stories to be told. But if we focus on the sometimes crass and selfish nature of an American based Doctor who appreciates the British aristocratic snobbery, perhaps there's opportunity for us to explore in ways never before imagined?

    That way, the lady is merely 'acting' the part of a Doctor to get the real Doctors to get along.

    Which really leads into a wonderful series of questions of: Who the heck is she?
     
  11. Kevin

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    While we wait for series 10 of 'New Who' to air, you can start familiarizing yourself with the Doctor's new companion, Bill. Yes, that's a female companion named Bill.



     
  12. Kevin

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    Well, for better or worse, you guys are getting your wish granted. :coffee: Capaldi will leaving the role as of the 2017 Christmas special.
    It should be noted that Capaldi's departure will be at the same time as Steven Moffat, the show's current show-runner, leaving as well. Maybe a coincidence but 3 years seems to be the expected length of time for an actor in the role lately because both David Tennant and Matt Smith also left after three years.

    Nobody knows what to expect of Doctor Who in 2018 as we get both a new actor and a new show runner.
     
  13. Jethro

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    Actually season 10 has rocked thus far, some good solid horror - one of the staples of the Whoverse - injected. Episode 11 coming up, Cybermen, so we must be getting close to the end for Capaldi.

    Not seeing any news on who gets to be the new Doctor yet.
     
  14. Kevin

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    If I am recalling correctly at the moment, there are two more Capaldi episodes scheduled to air (E11 & E12). I don't know if the usual Christmas/Holiday special will be with Capaldi or if it'll be used as the cross-over transition between the old & new actors.

    I actually like Capaldi in the role as it reminds me so much of the 'Classic' Who actors like Pertwee, and I daresay, just a touch of Baker.
     
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    Xmas special has Capaldi who then regenerates as a Chick, shock development for anyone who hasn't actually been following the series for the last five seasons or so.
     
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    [​IMG] I dig the old school Dr. Who, what is more cooler than having green bubble wrap on your hands?[​IMG]
     

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