JnC&SnVfan4life
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ditto. That's all I'm gonna say because I don't want to get in a fight with my friends over something like this, this close to Christmas.pennstatechic said:I love Bush!!!Bush baby 2004!!!!! He's a good president! That's all I'm going to say.
Love ya,
Penny
aliaschick4mv
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Well, over at the Hellmouth, the rules (which I wrote up thinking about what happened during the Iraq debate earlier this year), it clearly states that everything that is said IN the forum STAYS in the forum. There's no bitter blood outside.JnC&SnVfan4life said:ditto. That's all I'm gonna say because I don't want to get in a fight with my friends over something like this, this close to Christmas.pennstatechic said:I love Bush!!!Bush baby 2004!!!!! He's a good president! That's all I'm going to say.
Love ya,
Penny
I hope Soph listens to those rules actually, because I tend to yell, but I love her dearly.
"1. Thou shalt not attack a member. Thou may attack a members theories on a subject, but not in an offensive way.
2. Thou shalt not take this out of this forum. You fight with someone, you're bestest friends the second you get out of here (or have the same friendship as you had pre-fighting), in any other forum on this site. I can't exactly control other sites, but on here, I'll get mad. And I can get very, very mad.
3. (We're just gonna skip that, it's my own politics about Israel that you guys don't really care about)
4. Thou shalt follow these rules, or suffer endless pain. :mwahahaha:
I'm serious. Don't start with me, or you will be banned. I don't care what position you are on the site either. Admin, team member, regular member, you're done."
Those are basically the rules. #3 I can't expect to be followed out here, but the rest of them I think are quite useful.
And here's a pro-Bush rant over at the Hellmouth... It pretty much says all I need to say, and I spent like 15 minutes on it, so I'll just copy it.
"I think he's a VERY good president. And, by the way Soph, presidents haven't written their speeches since the beginning of time, so don't talk about 'em. Besides, I think they're perfectly fine speeches.
I'm not going to get into another war arguement, but sometimes (and I know this is hard for the general world population to admit), war is nessacery for protection. Can anyone truly say that the world is worse off without Saddam Hussein and his sons running around and killing people, raping people, torturing people?????? The few- VERY FEW Coalition soldiers who did die, they died serving their countries. They died protecting the world from a mad man. Now, I'm not meaning to insult anyone, but I think I'm about to:
Anyone who says that Bush is stupid for sending those men and women out to war, to save others from death, is just... disgracing their names. They volunteered remember? They knew what they were getting into.
I know you two aren't Americans, so you don't know... but the world changed on september 11. I'd suggest buying the CD Ocean Avenue by Yellow Card. I don't know if they'll have it over there, but you should get it. Lyrics, you ask?
Think about the love inside the strength of heart
Think about the heroes saving life in the dark
Climbing higher through the fire, time was running out
Never knowing you weren't going to be coming down alive
But you still came back for me
You were strong and you believed
Everything is gonna be alright
Everything is gonna be alright
Everything is gonna be alright
Be strong. Believe.
Be strong. Believe.
Think about the chance I never had to say
Thank you for giving up your life that day
Never fearing, only hearing voices calling out
Let it all go, the life that you know, just to bring it down alive
And you still came back for me
You were strong and you believed
Everything is gonna be alright
Everything is gonna be alright
Everything is gonna be alright
Be strong. Believe.
(Again today, we take into our hearts and minds those who perished on this site one year ago, and also those who came to toil in the rubble to bring order out of chaos, to help us make sense of our despair)
Wanna hold my wife when I get home
Wanna tell the kids they'll never know how much I love to see them smile
Wanna make a change or two right now
Wanna live a life like you somehow
Wanna make your sacrifice worthwhile
Everything is gonna be alright
Everything is gonna be alright
Everything is gonna be alright
Be strong. Believe.
Everything is gonna be alright
Everything is gonna be alright
Everything is gonna be alright
Be strong. Believe.
Think about the love inside the strength of heart
Think about the heroes saving life in the dark
Think about the chance I never had to say
Thank you for giving up your life that day
(The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here)
And in the parentheses (i can never spell that) is a speech. You can find the full speech, remembering the people who gave up their lives on 9/11 here. Enjoy. I ask that you read it. I suggest downloading that song too. I never really cried much after September 11. I felt I should, I asked myself, "What's wrong with me? Why am I not mourning them, what happened to them?" I almost cried when I heard that song. I doubt it will be the same for you, since you're not Americans, but maybe... maybe you can imagine what it must have been like. For those people trapped in a burning building, and the people who gave up their lives so that others could get out. Life is a gamble my friends.
Do you think they regret it? I don't. They signed on to that, to possibly giving up their lives the second they signed on to becoming a firefighter, a police officer, anything. Same goes for the people in the army.
Also, side note, the people in Iraq think that the people who died on September 11 deserved it, because we're "evil people." Do I seem EVIL do you guys? Does anyone you know online or offline seem EVIL? Do we deserve to die in that way, trapped in a burning building, calling for help, knowing it would never come? If it had happened to you... If it had happened to you, what would you do? Let them die in vain? Doesn't matter what COUNTRY you're from, your political mindset, any of that. It matters who you are, and how you feel about other people. I wouldn't wish that kind of death on my worst enemy, I wouldn't wish it on the entire COUNTRY OF IRAQ. Because it's not what I do. It's not what the general population of America does. Its not what we are, but apparently, the people in Iraq, who the entire world seems SO CONCERNED ABOUT, NOT GIVING A DAMN ABOUT THE OVER THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE WHO DIED ONE SEPTEMBER MORNING OR THEIR FAMILIES seemed to forget that. People always forget. We learn history to relate it to our lives today. And yeah, some may say, September 11 was three years ago. Hey, I thought that not so long ago. I feel worse about it now than I did when it happened. Post traumatic stress I suppose....
So frankly, this has nothing to do with Bush. This has nothing to do with you, or me, or even Saddam Hussein. This has to do with a few brave men. And women I should say as well. A few good, brave men and women who signed away their lives for THOUSANDS MORE.
I don't ask you to understand. Hey, even if you gave me an AMAZING speech on how Bush sucks, I doubt I'd believe it. It's hard to get people to change their points of view, and I'm not going to debate who's right or wrong. I'm just here to say what I KNOW, what I BELIEVE. It's a tricky thing belief... But I believe. It's not something that can be decided by a speech, or-or a few political desicions. It's everything, as a whole, as it is in one persons eyes. What do you see? Do you see young men and women sent to their deaths? Or do you see young men and women, who gave up their lives, Willingly, mind you, to protect their families, their children, and an entire world's future?
that's for sure. I did not get your point or I don't know what this is all about.
My feelings about Bush have nothing to do about what happened on september 11.
And because I'm not american , it doesn't mean that this tragedy did not touch me!!!!!
I do think too that this was horrible and none of this people deserved to die.
But , once again , this has nothing to do with Mister Bush ....and my belief that he is not the right person to lead the US for all the reasons I wrote earlier.
the people in Iraq, who the entire world seems SO CONCERNED ABOUT, NOT GIVING A DAMN ABOUT THE OVER THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE WHO DIED ONE SEPTEMBER MORNING OR THEIR FAMILIES seemed to forget that.I do not think that every woman and child in Irak feel the same way....I hope so!!!
Nobody forgot about what happened in NY that day and most people think it's horrible that this innocent people die , even I cried and I'm not american.
But once again , what does this have to do with Bush and the war in Irak?
I'm sorry , but I do not understand ....
cudgel of forlorn dreams
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Marie, Joyeux Noel a vous et votre familie...
I believe that President Bush has demonstrated repeatedly that he cares big-time about everyone involved in this whole mess: the families and victims of 9-11; the Iraqi people; the victims of the Taliban in Afghanistan; etc. This guy (whether you love him or not) has demonstrated over and over again the compassionativity (a Bushism :lol: ) of the heart of a man of God.
And without being dogmatic, I believe God puts certain world leaders in certain places at certain times (I believe that thought is contained in the book of Acts: "the times and places in which men are to live," etc.). He is the man for this hour of hell-on-earth that Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations envision for all non-radical, non-Muslims (these terrorists even hate more "moderate" Muslims! Geez!).
I have to disagree with you, too, Marie: I believe all the peace-loving good people in Iraq care about what happened over here, and what happens in all countries. While they were under Saddam's thumb, how could they publicly express that concern without suffering the tyrant's wrath? I believe they prayed for us, like I pray for them, and for you too.
Along with many other peace-loving persons out there, I stand by George W. Bush, whom I'm proud to call my president.
God bless you and yours this holiday season,
Cudgel
I believe that President Bush has demonstrated repeatedly that he cares big-time about everyone involved in this whole mess: the families and victims of 9-11; the Iraqi people; the victims of the Taliban in Afghanistan; etc. This guy (whether you love him or not) has demonstrated over and over again the compassionativity (a Bushism :lol: ) of the heart of a man of God.
And without being dogmatic, I believe God puts certain world leaders in certain places at certain times (I believe that thought is contained in the book of Acts: "the times and places in which men are to live," etc.). He is the man for this hour of hell-on-earth that Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations envision for all non-radical, non-Muslims (these terrorists even hate more "moderate" Muslims! Geez!).
I have to disagree with you, too, Marie: I believe all the peace-loving good people in Iraq care about what happened over here, and what happens in all countries. While they were under Saddam's thumb, how could they publicly express that concern without suffering the tyrant's wrath? I believe they prayed for us, like I pray for them, and for you too.
Along with many other peace-loving persons out there, I stand by George W. Bush, whom I'm proud to call my president.
God bless you and yours this holiday season,
Cudgel
Yee hah!! He's definetely stretched it out long enough to get hissself elected to another four years. Very well orchestrated, I'll give him that much. And the rich get richer!! -_- Jr.s gonna burn in hell for all the money he's siphoning out of middle class Americans to give to big business. And didn't you find it strange that we had just conquered 7% of the worlds oil supply yet our gasoline in this country was up over 2dollars a gallon? Did that have any thing to do with the oil money that put him in office?Of course not. hehe
down with the phony I say. any one can pick a sadaam and an osamma and play the big shot. What has he done for us. NADA!!aliaschick4mv
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marie said:
that's for sure. I did not get your point or I don't know what this is all about.
My feelings about Bush have nothing to do about what happened on september 11.
And because I'm not american , it doesn't mean that this tragedy did not touch me!!!!!
I do think too that this was horrible and none of this people deserved to die.
But , once again , this has nothing to do with Mister Bush ....and my belief that he is not the right person to lead the US for all the reasons I wrote earlier.
I do not think that every woman and child in Irak feel the same way....I hope so!!!
Nobody forgot about what happened in NY that day and most people think it's horrible that this innocent people die , even I cried and I'm not american.
But once again , what does this have to do with Bush and the war in Irak?
I'm sorry , but I do not understand ....
You kind of had to read what else was going on in the thread... And MTV did an interview with some Iraqi kids and they said that they thought we deserved it, and that opinion is certainly not only theirs, considering how they all get taught the same things.
Semi-off topic, did you know that the palestinian version of sesame street preaches homicide bombings? Just wanted to point that out. I'm not sure if it's also shown in Iraq, but i wouldn't doubt it.
And um... you MIGHT want to spell Iraq right
K?
SydneyFan
You think that what he did was nothing, that anyone could do it? If that's the case, how come no one did?
You're right you're off topic. Once again , this has nothing to do with Bush, but I see that you stand up for him , good for you.
But , I'm sorry , everybody does not think like you and please respect my opinion as I do respect yours , even if I disagree with you.
Then , you wanna think that everybody in IraQ is evil , that there is no such thing as innocents victims there? If it makes you feel better , it's your choice.
But still innocent people died in this war in both sides.
aliaschick4mv And um... you MIGHT want to spell Iraq rightSo childish.....
gurlygirl_89
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I think that if someone is trying to kill me and my family i will call them whatever i want. i wasn't talking about the Iraqi ppl. I was talking about terrorists. So i'll thank you to let me express my opinion in my way and u can express your in your own way.
~Dark One~
~Dark One~
aliaschick4mv
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You're right you're off topic. Once again , this has nothing to do with Bush, but I see that you stand up for him , good for you.
But , I'm sorry , everybody does not think like you and please respect my opinion as I do respect yours , even if I disagree with you.
Then , you wanna think that everybody in IraQ is evil , that there is no such thing as innocents victims there? If it makes you feel better , it's your choice.
But still innocent people died in this war in both sides.
aliaschick4mv And um... you MIGHT want to spell Iraq rightExcuse me? When did I not respect your opinion? I have complete respect for other people's opinions (unless they say Israel is a terrorist, which you didn't do, which is when I get b****y), and yes, that final thing was childish, that's why I put it. It was supposed to be sarcastic. Frankly, if I was spelling the country of debate wrong, then you'd point it out too.So childish.....
And of course innocent people died in this war on both sides.
It's a WAR.
Bad things happen. You deal with it, you try to make it better, and that's all you CAN do. You try to keep things from happening again. That's all you can do. We're human, we fight with each other, we try to work things out, and sometimes they can't be settled.
And George Bush and the war are related, considering that's what a lot of people who are anti-Bush use as their platform.
And you know what? Saying that I have no respect for your opinions actually hurt my feelings. I'm a nice person I'd like to think, I don't need you telling me that if I disagree with you I'm disrespecting your opinions. I don't know HOW I did that, and I appologize if I did, but I'm a nice person, and I don't just go around disrespecting people I've never spoken to before.
And that's all there is to it.
No, I think he did the only possible thing he could do. It was a no brainer, and if you really look at it 9/11 will be the only reason this most ineffective of all presidents gets elected again for 4 more years. The weak ones always need a war. He'll suck it dry and milk it for everything it's worth in the name of " humanityl" and every now and then capture a terrorist to keep things rolling, then look to Americans for a pat on the back. The economy will perk up right before the elections(probably) but for the most part it will stay a mess, and the American people will continue for all intent and purposes to be without a real leader or man of any real character.
And the reason no one else did(go into Iraq I'm asumming you mean) is because no one else is set up militarily the way the U.S. is. NO on can create governments and set up economies with the effeciency from start to finish the way the U.S. can. Plenty will want in once Iraq is broken down and the ball is rolling, but the start up requires someone like the U.S.And yes, I am glad the Iraqi's are free regardless of how it happened but that's happenstance and doesn't make jr. a great man at all. It's not the reason he went to Iraq any more than the Weapons of Mass destruction were.
I am totally i agreement with you , i am British and i HATE my primeminister for dragging us in to this war. It all boils down to the fact that WMD have still not been found in Iraq. Yes , Hussain was found and captured, which is all well and good, but where are these WMD that we Britain and America went to war to find and destroy? I do not believe for one minuite that we went to war to displace a so called rogue leader. It is all about oil. I also find absolutley astonishing that George Bush , who gave the go ahead to bomb the living daylights out of inocent Iraqi civilians , then has the gaul to say that he is soul charge of handing out the contracts to re-build Iraq ! :angry:SydneyFan said:
SpongeBobSquarePants
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I'm Canadian, and I'm glad we were not part of this crappy war.
Hail to beaver land!
~~Spongy!
Hail to beaver land!
~~Spongy!
Yes, hail to Beaverland! You gave us Victor Garber, and for that, we owe you a debt of eternal gratitude. At least your leaders were smart enough to keep you out of this crime against the Iraqi people. If any other leader had done what Dubya has done, he would be labeled a war criminal. Why should it be any different for him? I can't wait till next November to vote against him again. If he gets re-elected (God forbid), we will have to put up with him for another five years from now. Thank God for term limits. But by that time, Dubya will have alienated all of our allies and incited our enemies to further violence. We'll be years cleaning up the mess he's made. Thanks a lot, Dubya. :angry:
At least your leaders were smart enough to keep you out of this crime against the Iraqi people. If any other leader had done what Dubya has done, he would be labeled a war criminal. Why should it be any different for him? I can't wait till next November to vote against him again. If he gets re-elected (God forbid), we will have to put up with him for another five years from now. Thank God for term limits. But by that time, Dubya will have alienated all of our allies and incited our enemies to further violence. We'll be years cleaning up the mess he's made. Thanks a lot, Dubya. :angry:aliaschick4mv
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War crimes? Care to list them? Maybe I've been watching too conservative of news, but I don't get what he did that qualifies as 'war crimes'.Ophelia said:Yes, hail to Beaverland! You gave us Victor Garber, and for that, we owe you a debt of eternal gratitude.
SpongeBobSquarePants
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Yes, Canada, the land of GarberOphelia said:Yes, hail to Beaverland! You gave us Victor Garber, and for that, we owe you a debt of eternal gratitude.
Dubya :lol:
~~Spongy!
ALIAS_RULES
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Well if Bush can't take of the world's problems, what's he doing bombing a country when there were alternatives. Where are the weapons of mass destruction? If you call going into another country and killing tons of innocent people by bombing them standing up for your country, then you're right. Now the country is in chaos, and if there are so many other dictators, why isn't Bush going after them? Well, the answer is in the oil. You see, why would Bush attack North Korea, a country that HAS ADMITTED to possessing nuclear weapons. Isn't that funny, you don't hear much about them anyways. This is a load of BS, this standing up for your country and anti-terrorism campaign. Bush is a retarded monkey with no conscience. If there is one terrorist in the world, it the A**H*** George W. Bush.gurlygirl_89 said:guys your missing the point. there are staving people people in poverty under cruel leaders all over the world. Bush is only a man. he cna't take care of all the problems in the worl. bush has committed no crime. Personally im glad he decided to take out those towel-headed camel jockies. they get what they deserve. We should have put an end to him at Deseat Storm. But we didn't. You all should be very grateful for a presiden twho will fight for his country. I really belive it Bush thought Saddaam wasn'ta threat he would have let him be. anyways that's my thoughts for the day.
~Dark One~
