Season 2 Are they married or not?

lol yes she wouldnt seem to be right for jack i think the only person for jack is irina!im a firm believer in them and i hope they do get together but i doubt that because she has betrayed him one too many times!
 
Delicious family plots indeed -- but that doesn't mean there isn't room for Jack to have some happiness in his life. I suppose if they did bring a new love interest onto the show for Jack, a lot of viewers wouldn't like her -- a sane, normal person would probably seem boring and superfluous on this show. But I love imagining how good it would be for my beloved Jack! Hey, I know -- maybe she could be working as an analyst at that fake travel magazine with Will! That way, she could actually have something to do with the plot and not end up without a storyline like Real Francie did. 🐈
 
He doesn't want people to realize how he feels, so he says "ex-wife."
;)
 
vh i agree with you and i dont think he wants to admit how he feels but he does think of her as his wife or at least deep down he wants to!
 
From what I've seen lately, I think Jack has had enough of Irina Derevko -- at least I hope he has. I think she is headed for a bad end, and he needs to start looking out for himself before she takes him down with her -- and takes Sydney down too.
 
If he's done with her, then where's the annulment? It was 20 years, she was dead, betrayed and abandoned them, and still "it's never over" (Jeff Buckley). Jack's heart is a very stubborn organ. It doesn't matter what he needs. It's how he feels.
;)
 
Who says he hasn't gotten the annulment? They do a lot of things off screen on this show. And with everything else that's going on, it's just a side plotanyway right now. I'm not so sure I wasn't just seeing what I wanted to see when I was still a J/I shipper. They still have the sexual attraction that was always there, but I'm not so sure there's anything else left between them. There has been so sign that Irina misses Jack, and no sign of anything from him except anger for her betrayal. How much did he really trust her when he tried to prevent that betrayal with a second tracker? I think he expressed his feeling about what Irina did to him pretty well when he was dealing with Elsa Caplan. It could be that realizing how different things might have been will make him see Irina and their relationship for what it is -- if he doesn't already. But I get the feeling we will, perhaps next season, see him rid himself of Irina's destructive influence. Only if we see some positive changes in Irina's character -- and I mean real changes real quick -- will I change my mind.
 
Ophelia said:
Enjoying Egypt, Manu?  ;)
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Already said I'm not in Egypt. I have nothing to be in denial about. ;)

If he's done with her, then where's the annulment? It was 20 years, she was dead, betrayed and abandoned them, and still "it's never over" (Jeff Buckley). Jack's heart is a very stubborn organ. It doesn't matter what he needs. It's how he feels.
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WORD VH!

And of course he hasn't gotten the annulement yet. Jesus! JJ would never even touch this "they're still married and they're the only ones who know about it" storyline if it wasn't important just to dimiss it later. :rolleyes:
 
I guess we'll just see what happens on the show, won't we? ;)

I guess my problem is that I'm thinking logically, and "Alias" is anything but logical! :D
 
Right, Nothing is as it seems anywhere at anytime during any episode. You have to think off the wall to keep up.
 
Ophelia said:
. . . They still have the sexual attraction that was always there, but I'm not so sure there's anything else left between them.  There has been so sign that Irina misses Jack, and no sign of anything from him except anger for her betrayal.  How much did he really trust her when he tried to prevent that betrayal with a second tracker?  I think he expressed his feeling about what Irina did to him pretty well when he was dealing with Elsa Caplan.  It could be that realizing how different things might have been will make him see Irina and their relationship for what it is -- if he doesn't already.  But I get the feeling we will, perhaps next season, see him rid himself of Irina's destructive influence.  Only if we see some positive changes in Irina's character -- and I mean real changes real quick -- will I change my mind.
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I agree that Irina has not shown her hand as far as her true feelings toward her ex. However, I feel that Jack's feelings are a lot more complex than you are portraying them. Yes, he feels betrayed and angry. He is still wounded deeply from the betrayal 20 years ago. But it is my position that this wound would not be so deep were he not still in love with her. If all he felt for her was anger, then why torment himself by caring what her opinion of him was (viewing the debriefing tape)? What then is the meaning of that heartrending expression when he locks eyes with Irina upon their second parting before she once again betrays him? He would not be sad; he would be angry, or satisfied, or expectant. Certainly anger is one of the many emotions that Jack feels for Irina, but he also feels so many other things.

I personally think that Jack was hoping as much or more than Sydney that Irina was turning. Come on, he let her go with the manuscript and just a little passive tracking device on her--just enough to cover his ass with the CIA! Sure, he was working it two ways, trusting her and not trusting her, and while Jack may tell himself that he always knew that she would turn on him and he was just proving the facts to Sydney and the CIA, we know from the truth in his expressions and the timber of his voice that he was hoping against hope that it was true too. It may have been an exercise in despair, but it was an exercise in love, not anger. Just MHO.

No, I can't say that I'm exactly a J/I "shipper" or ever was, but I'm a sucker for a good romance, and this is one, and a good tragic one. It isn't "good" for Jack, and Jack isn't happy. On the other hand, I have a feeling he's as much a tragic hero as we're going to find on this series. It will be interesting to learn more about Irina's perspective.
;)
 
I had often thought of Irina as a tragic hero, but not Jack -- good point! And I agree that Jack must have hoped that second tracker would turn out to be unnecessary. I think he had been softening toward her because he was cuatiously hoping that she had changed and really did regret the things that she had done and was trying to make amends, which she said was her reason for turning herself in to begin with. He once told Dr. Barnett that "no one wants a happy ending to this more than I do." He wanted that for his sake as well as Sydney's. He was daring to harbor hopes for them again. But now those hopes are gone. Unless he and Irina are in on this together, which I don't believe at all, what else is he supposed to think? In his eyes, he gave her some rope, and is deeply hurt that she hanged herself with it. :(

As for Irina's persepective -- darn it, woman, knock off the "truth takes time" stuff and explain yourself! :angry:
 
Yes, they do, don't they? And no new episodes for another three weeks?! What are they trying to do, kill us? :D
 
Once again.. WORD VH!

The writers are evil. I learned to be patience while watching this show. Unfortunetely my patience only goes so far. :rolleyes:
 
Maybe the problem is that with the writers trying to create suspense by dragging out developments in the J/I relationship, it makes Irina seem like she's toying with Jack and Sydney when she really isn't. And the long gaps between episodes don't help! AAARRRGGGHHH! :o_O:
 
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