Do you think Irina would be a good role model?

[Caro]

i don't think she's a role model, not considering her past at least

 

[verdantheart]

True , but with Sydney gone, he'll be a desperate man, and Sloane said something along the lines of, "We'll be seeing each other sooner than you think", or sutton along those lines!

You said "all along." That wouldn't be all along.

 

[verdantheart]

Well...I always think that Irina has a higher purpose, and although she may not offer much to Syd and Jack, I think that this could be because she is trying to protect them...but that one part where she got Syd with the stun-gun (when they were at the server farm) really shocked me...her motives better be really good!!! Otherwise, I'm sure she has an amaizng plan to do something...

I'm allowing that this may be true, but I have to base my observations on what is presented, while what is not said can only be open for speculation. And while there is still a little room for speculation in this area, the field of possible good outcomes is narrowing. (Damn, I'm feeling like a game theorist or something . . .)

 

[smegheadalways]

True  , but with Sydney gone, he'll be a desperate man, and Sloane said something along the lines of, "We'll be seeing each other sooner than you think", or sutton along those lines!

You said "all along." That wouldn't be all along.

Explain, for the slow person, namely..........me!

 

[K. Ackles]

I haven't seen the second half because this :cuss: country (South Africa) decided to split the 2 hour finalé into two separate episodes, so I will only watch it this thurssday!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHH :angry: :cuss: :angry:

On a Happier note: I was reading one of your older columns, VH, and you said that Irina could be evil corrupted by Jack's good... so perhaps she is working, in some twisted way, for their benefit? Just speculation though.

 

[smegheadalways]

That's what they'll prob do here (U.K) Ackles, but luckily by other means I've seen it! I'm not sure about the whole Jack/Irina thingy though??

 

[verdantheart]

On a Happier note: I was reading one of your older columns, VH, and you said that Irina could be evil corrupted by Jack's good... so perhaps she is working, in some twisted way, for their benefit? Just speculation though.

This is one possible way (of several; and still a valid one) of assessing the character of Irina. (We don't have full information about her on which to base an assessment of her motives--any more than Jack or Sydney does.) This picture of Irina has her almost like Sloane, a ruthless person reaching for power--except for one thing. Her exposure to Jack taught her what love was, what conscience was. Almost in spite of herself, she at times acts out of love and conscience, but those are not her motivating forces.

This would make her a much darker character than many would like to see her. However, from the point of view of artistic vision, it is an interesting way to view the character because she would then be much like Jack's character viewed in a black mirror: just as contact with Irina darkened Jack's character--making him capable of such actions as Haladki's murder and Irina's set-up--contact with Jack lightened Irina's character just a little bit. (However, if this turned out to be the case, I'm sure that people who are anxious to believe she's good at heart would be extremely angry.)

Would this mean that she would be working for Jack and Sydney's benefit? Last season, in the short run, that was not her aim. She was working for herself and unconcerned with Jack and Sydney's welfare, endangering them (putting both Jack and Sydney's lives at risk, even though she did also save their lives). Her primary concern was putting together Il Dire. Now, what was her reason for that? The same as Sloane's? Knowledge? Power? Or something else? She says it's knowledge, but is that all? Right now it looks like she's working for herself, but she doesn't want to sacrifice Jack or Sydney unless it's necessary. She considered renewed betrayal of Jack necessary. She made her deal with Sloane because she didn't see him as a noble figure (in other words, she believes could have made her deal with (corrupted) Jack?); clearly she wants Sydney to survive; she didn't choose to immediately sacrifice Will, contrary to her usual behavior. So far, her family doesn't seem to change her goals, but it does seem to influence her behavior.

Was her goal to become "the highest power" hoping to reclaim her family, thus making it unnecessary for Sydney to have to face Sloane ("unless prevented")? (Could it really be so simple?) Or was she just interested in the power?

 

[K. Ackles]

I think that she does care for bioth syd and Jack way more than she is gien credit for. In that first paragraph, you say that she is capable of love. But for as long as she was out of their lives, she (perhaps) forgot what it was like to feel that love. When she faked her death, she was gone from that environment for a very long time. So in essence, her capability to love is rusty, but still existant. Her need for power (or something else) is generated by her previous motives, but this capability to love makes her a bit less ruthless. Not entirely helpless, but she does have a growing...awarness, if you will, of what is going on around her, and the stunning realisation that she is not the only person in the world who matters could take a bit of getting used to.