Season 3 I Think We're In Big Trouble . . .

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Ophelia

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Victor Garber and Ron Rifkin appeared on a Canadian morning TV show recently, and Victor said something that points directly to the problems with "Alias." He said that after the season 2 finale he thinks that JJ sort of "went back to the drawing board -- hmmm, let's see . . ." In other words, JJ doesn't even know what direction he wants to go with the show. At least, that's my interpretation. If that's true, then we're in for a very bumpy ride next season. How are we supposed to figure anything out if JJ hasn't? I never start a story, let alone post one, without knowing where I want to go with it. To do that would not be good writing, if you ask me. As I said, I think we're in trouble. Here's a link to the video clip. See what you think: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/HTMLTemplate/.....p2&subhub=video

BTW, be a little bit patient as the clip starts, because first there's a preview of what appears to be a TV movie about plastic surgery. Don't worry; you did get to the right place.

Oh, and one last thing -- for all my fellow spoiler-avoiders, there were NO spoilers in the interview, so don't be afraid to view it.
 
LMAO! that was really funny--- when they started talking about JG being a goddess... SHE IS!!! haha

but i don't agree with that... that JJ doesn't know what he's doing...i think he's got it all covered!
 
What Victor said just confirmed what I had suspected for a while. JJ needs to settle down, decide where he wants to go with the storylines, and then take us there. I don't think that is happening. I no longer trust JJ in that regard, because there have been too many things in season 2 that just don't make sense. That needs to change real quick.
 
I believe that JJ Abrams knows where he's going (so do the writers)--but they're keeping the actors in the dark along with the rest of us. As Mr Garber said himself, he doesn't even sneak in to try to find out what's going to happen with Jack, so he has no real way of knowing one way or the other! His only advantage over the rest of us is the fact that he sees JJ Abrams in the flesh . . . (As much as I admire Mr Garber, he hasn't read the scripts yet.)

There's throwing things out and starting over and there's planning surprises and following through. Considering my experience with Mr Abrams and team, I'm voting for the latter.

I can't think of too many things in season 2 that really didn't make sense to me except for the Jack-recruited-Dixon idea, which has some real continuity problems. Ophelia, could you bring up some more examples?

My advice: relax! Enjoy your summer!
;)

Oh, and I forgot to thank you for the clip!!!
^_^
 
im still trying to watch it!! omg that plastic surgery thing was hilarious! i dont know why but it was!! ok havent seen all of the interview cause my computer is being screwy but i think jj knows what he is doing..or i hope he is!!
 
Of course Mr. Garber hasn't read the scripts yet -- they haven't been written! ;)

I guess my problem is that the whole "prophecy" business makes no sense to me at all, and that is what the show is focused on now. I don't much care for sci-fi, and I've had a real problem with this storyline that goes all the way back to the "prophecy" episodes in the first season. A lot of people thought that was really a nifty idea, but I was horrified at the violation of Sydney's civil rights. I hated "Q & A!" All I could think was, "If anything like this were to really happen, the FBI and the DSR would be facing the biggest lawsuit they ever saw." Coercing Sydney into having a battery of psychological and medical tests, then kidnapping her from a dance club and basically charging her with witchcraft? Give me a break! That didn't work in Salem, Massachusetts in 1692, either. I would love to discuss those episodes with a Constitutional lawyer, which I am not.

Anyway, suspension of disbelief and mystery are fun, but only up to a point. In Hong Kong, Vaughn said that he was there to explain things to Sydney. If we don't get at least a few answers real quick, I plan to stop watching. "Alias" used to be just a spy show, with lots of complicating plotting, silly gadgets and disguises, and great characters. It was fascinating to watch Sydney's crazy "spy" life collide with "real" life -- with results sometimes comic, sometimes tragic. The "drugstore" scene in "Endgame" made me realize just how much I had missed that.

All that said, I'm not the only fan who's feeling frustrated with "Alias" as it is now, believe me.
 
hahaha!! just finished watching it and i loved the part where vic and ron where arguing and the part about naked sloane was so true!! i was like hell yea why dont they show us naked vaughn some more or will!! anything then slaone!!

Posted on Jun 8 2003, 09:32 PM
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theres still hope, vaughn wife would be dead or something
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i know but im starting to freak out again!! felgercarb i cant take this anymore!! i need to know now!! and all the theories out there!! omg i need to leave A.A. for a month and take some time to clear my head!!! omg i take this way to seriously!!
 
Ophelia said:
I guess my problem is that the whole "prophecy" business makes no sense to me at all, and that is what the show is focused on now.  I don't much care for sci-fi, and I've had a real problem with this storyline that goes all the way back to the "prophecy" episodes in the first season.  A lot of people thought that was really a nifty idea, but I was horrified at the violation of Sydney's civil rights. I hated "Q & A!"  All I could think was, "If anything like this were to really happen, the FBI and the DSR would be facing the biggest lawsuit they ever saw."  Coercing Sydney into having a battery of psychological and medical tests, then kidnapping her from a dance club and basically charging her with witchcraft?  Give me a break!  That didn't work in Salem, Massachusetts in 1692, either.  I would love to discuss those episodes with a Constitutional lawyer, which I am not. 
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Honest, I do understand your pain--even if I don't entirely feel it (I love sci fi/fantasy and I loved The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr, which genre-bended westerns and fantasy in a similar way). I hate to tell you this, but Rambaldi was always a part of Alias from the very second episode, wherein he was introduced. It's an idea that JJ Abrams had from the very begining, not a wild shark-jump that suddenly appeared. Rambaldi was introduced as a prophet. As you say, "Q&A" was back in the first season.

Certainly I have no idea of the constitutionality of what was suggested, but I heard rumors that after 9-11 just such things were happening to suspected terrorists--and those people would be considered a lot less dangerous than Sydney if they believed this prophecy. Not going back to the text of the episode, it seems to me that Jack cited the terrorist laws as the pretext for holding Sydney indefinitely without representation. Is this legal? Good question. Can it happen? That is a separate question--it can happen even if it is not legal, and people have been held (what is it? without habeas corpus?) in this country. A possible disconnect--to my thinking--appears when Irina walks in, apparently the subject of the prophecy, and the FBI seems to have dropped all apparent concern over it. What has changed? Is it that they have Irina in custody and they think that is enough?
;)
 
Before the "Prophecy" episodes, Rambaldi was just a nut case -- the creator of a few moldy old books and a few museum pieces. It was kind of a fun subplot then. It was when they started making it the focus of the show that it started to bother me. I nearly went out and joined the ACLU after "Q & A." Maybe I should still do it -- or does Attorney General Ashcroft consider that a "terrorist organization" too? Ever hear the expression "I love my country but I fear my government?" That's me!

Anyway, I suppose that if Jack had not been able to rescue Sydney, his next step would have been to go public with what the FBI and the DSR had done. It would have blown his and Sydney's cover at SD-6, of course; but if things had gotten that far her cover was blown anyway. Could you imagine what all this would have sounded like to most people?

I got so incensed about this storyline after "Q & A" that I wrote my first fan fic about it -- a confrontation between Jack and Kendall after Jack sent Sydney to Mount Sabaccio (remember how Jack said that he was going to explain to the FBI what he had done?). It was fun to write!
 
Ophelia said:
Before the "Prophecy" episodes, Rambaldi was just a nut case -- the creator of a few moldy old books and a few museum pieces. It was kind of a fun subplot then. It was when they started making it the focus of the show that it started to bother me. I nearly went out and joined the ACLU after "Q & A." Maybe I should still do it -- or does Attorney General Ashcroft consider that a "terrorist organization" too? Ever hear the expression "I love my country but I fear my government?" That's me!
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The ACLU is an extremely valuable organization.

I saw that Rambaldi would be very important from the beginning. It was just that kind of thing.
;)
 
I guess you saw it coming because you're into sci-fi more than I am. I didn't sign up for this, and if that's all we get next season, I'll stop watching. I can always watch for Victor Garber in other things.

I have a deep distrust of government and corporations that I seem to have been born with -- I certainly didn't get it from my parents. Maybe it was watching the government lie about Viet Nam and Watergate all through my early years. Nixon resigned just before my freshman year of high school. I remember already being skeptical of anything coming out of Washington by then. And it isn't as if things have improved since then. Ah, well, I guess it's true what they say: "Democracy is the worst possible form of government, except all others." ;)
 
Ophelia said:
I guess you saw it coming because you're into sci-fi more than I am. I didn't sign up for this, and if that's all we get next season, I'll stop watching. I can always watch for Victor Garber in other things.
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Well, if you leave, I'll miss you! Please come to my column and say goodbye before you go!
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Nah don't worry you guys...JJ knows what he's doing, but I think he just likes to take things one step at a time. He's sort of the fly-by-the-seat kind of a guy, atleast I think so. He's an amazing writer and he's good at everything else he does for Alias, so I don't think we have anything to worry about. Next season is going to be amazing as always!!
 
THIS is bad, very bad indeed
yea, I didn't want Alias to turn out like something yyou see on Sci-fi!
*lets out a wail*
It should be about the CIA! I don't wa-n-na leave
*whines like a child*
 
GOSH EVERYONE NEEDS TO CALM DOWN AND GIVE JJ A CHANCE HE KNOWS WHAT HES DOING HOW LONG HAS HE BEEEN DOING HIS JOB A ONG TIME. SO I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST OVER REACTING DONT WORRY!! Everyone should support him threw it all hes done an amazing job o far!!
 
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