Politics War with Iraq

AliasHombre said:
It would not be millions of lives. More like thousands.
okay, thousands, sorry. does that make those lives any less valuable?

i just feel extremely uneasy about a preemptive strike based on what-ifs and circumstantial evidence. what's to stop another country from pointing fingers at us and making accusations that we have unauthorized weapons and deciding to go ahead and launch a preemptive strike? while this may be an unlikely scenario, my point is that starting a war on such ambiguous evidence opens up the possibilities of future wars based on threadbare evidence.

all right, i am not WHOLLY against war. sometimes war IS inevitable. i just don't believe that war at this very point in time is appropriate.
 
I see your point.
I also say that in general an Iraqi childs life is not as valuable as an American childs life. I know that sounds bad, but lemme explain. In Iraq, education is sparce and oprotunities are limited, so the children have very little chance to make a difference like being a scientist, or a doctor, or a teacher. In AMerica, a child has a much greater chance of making a difference, finding a cure, or inspiring a child. So, would you rather see thousands of Americans die intentionally, or thousands of Iraqi children die. I know that right now, you can say you don't want any one to die, but when push comes to shove, someone is gonna die.
In WWII, America used a formula to justify using the bomb, I wont tell you now, but it is much more ludicruos than, a few thousand americans dying in an attack or a few thousand Iraqi people dying in a war to defend America.
I know this post seems random and confusing, sorry, im running a lot of thoughts through my head and i get ahead on my typing, and im watching the Simpsons.
 
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LOL I totally agree. My father is obsessed with Patton. He knows the whole movie by heart.
"No one ever won a war by dying for their country. They won it by making the other poor dumb b@$-ard die for HIS country."- Patton
 
he look its our president 🐒

ha ha you made your joke, but hey don't crack on our prez I'm sure you even look like a monkey at times!

~KM

I don't think the UN votes till tuesday or wednesday
 
AliasHombre said:
Though there was no country directly responsable, many have been linked with hard evedence.  One of those is Iraq.
Saudi Arabia has (a lot) more links to 9/11 than Iraq - why don't we attack them?


What i don't get is the Anti-Americanism that has arisen due to Bush's plan.  People need to support their nation and its need to protect itslf.  People care more about Iraqi children then their own.
Who says saying something that isn't in line with what the President thinks is being Anti-American? The right to say what you want - no matter what the government thinks - is one of the fundamental principals on which America is based. When I was in Egypt, there was an Egyptian who, when he found out our group was American, said "Bush" and put his thumbs up. Another member of our group, who was American, said "Bush" and put his thumbs down. In Egypt, if you defy the leader you defy the country itself. That is not true here.


People need to support their nation and its need to protect itslf.
Isn't that kind of what Iraq was doing when it invaded Kuwait (protecting itself)? We took action against them for doing it. So why can we do it ourselves?


Hitler oppressed and murdered 6million Jews.  Saddam has gassed his own people with helicopters.
This is not directly related to the quote, but just so you guys no - I agree that Saddam has done horrible things and does not deserve to run a country. I am against the death penalty in every case - be it Saddam or Osoma. Yes, that is radical. However, I am in favor of self-defense. However, what we are about to do is similar to someone going out and shooting someone because they have a gun and lied about it.


These anti war protests wont do anything and are disgusting because of the anti americanism.
That implies that if you do not do what the president says you are being anti-American. As I noted above, this goes against one of the basic principals of our constitution.

:godblessamerica:

NOTE: I've found that sometimes when I reply to these threads discussion stops because people are afraid to disagree with me. PLEASE DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN. Feel free to be disagree and say so and why, but just keep it civil.
 
I was lsitening on the radio to bush speak earlier. He is so eager to kill its disgusting well the only reason I think it is because My close cousin anthony is in the war. And he just got married and well he might be a father soon. Its sad and well Bush I wish he would realize,but hey maybe I am wrong ya know I am not really into it so I dont know all stories. I just wish it didn't involve my family,but it does I have alot of cousins that are in the war and family members too. But they feel proud for what they are doing.

SO many innocent people God so many innocent people. I pray for them and hope they find peace. :godblessamerica:
 
NOTE: Sorry if the following is offensive to anyone:

If its not justified now, why did we do it on Germany. Japan attacked us w/o Germany, but notonly did we get Japan, but we got germany FIRST!.

Japan and Germany were allies in the war. They worked together -- they as a group struck first.

And even if you do consider it preemptive, just because we did it in the past does not mean in any way we should do it now. We enslaved people in the past. We've learned and don't do it anymore.


UN inspectors have had 12 years to do their job
Inspections were called off after (and during) the Gulf War (but I could be wrong there). This was the UN's decision.


Bush in no way needs the U.N. to "approve" the war
True, but to legally declare war he does need congress' approval - many people forget that.




I AM in favor of disarming Iraq -- however, I feel that doing it by force is incorrect because this would make it even more likely for a biological weapon to be given to a terrorist group.


Yeah, I know, you think that peace is best for your country but, you know, if there's no war eventually there won't be an America because WE'LL ALL BE DEAD!
If there were no war at all, anywhere, no one would ever die from the things we are dealing with today.


like i would be if i were living in a communist country
IMO, communist countries are not the problem - it's the people who are running some of them.


Protesting is anti-american becasue they are protesting what is in the best interest of our country: self-defense
What is best for our country is an opinion, and opinions are free to discuss. It's one of the things that makes America what it is. Are you saying that exercising your right to freedom of speech is anti-American?


i just feel extremely uneasy about a preemptive strike based on what-ifs and circumstantial evidence. what's to stop another country from pointing fingers at us and making accusations that we have unauthorized weapons and deciding to go ahead and launch a preemptive strike? while this may be an unlikely scenario, my point is that starting a war on such ambiguous evidence opens up the possibilities of future wars based on threadbare evidence.
I agree. It would allow India and Pakistan to launch preemptive strikes against one another.


I know that right now, you can say you don't want any one to die, but when push comes to shove, someone is gonna die.
If we hadn't gotten into this in the first place, there would be a large chance that no one would die.
 
so many people would inevitably die during a war and bush is just a little TOO eager to go for it. it's like he WANTS people to die. our president sucks
 
I'm sorry Alias_fan, but what you just said sounded like Bush said hey lets have war so I can send innocent 18yrs over there so they can die and hey we can disarm Saddam while we're at it!

Ok I think Bush is pushing this war is because there is reason that they aren't tell us also because Powell is also pushing war and he has been in one so he knows what to do.

Do you really think he is dong this so ppl can just die? Yes its impossible to go into war and not expect ppl to die.

But America is doing this to help not to destory and I think Bush has tryed to tell ppl this but some ppl are just so stubborn on the fact that Am. is going to War (I'm sorry I don't mean this to offend anyone).

Well here is what I think We are going to war, Bush has made that clear when is the only thing that we don't know. How many will be kill is still questioned, why cuz Saddam is truly insane and is up to something.

These are my veiws like I said I don't mean to offend anyone, I respect it if your Anti-War and protest you have every right to. Go for it!! I just feel that there is no point to because oviously the Gov't and SOME of our allies have there mind set to go to war.

~KM
 
Much as I dislike Bush, I have to agree with you, SpyGurl001. My family was having this huge debate about it and my mom was saying something about how Bush is doing it for the safety of America, or something. She was saying something like, 'Who's to say Saddam won't come here and start using his methods and experiments on us? And plus, if I were him, I KNOW I'd want revenge for what happened 9/11, and I don't care if it's him or Bin Laden we get, I'd want to get one of them!'

And I have to agree with her. What would happen if Saddam just showed up and started experimenting on us? I'm not saying that'll really happen, it probably never will, security in America has gone up a lot. Whatever happened about not having to be afraid to just go out and have a good time at a ball park without needing an entire police force to keep us safe? Or just getting on a flight without much fuss and flying to see relatives? Everywhere you look there's cops swarming the area! I don't know if anything I'm saying is making any sense...

But you guys, as much as I wish this war wouldn't happen, have you forgotten what really happened September 11, 2001? How many people died, how many people suffered?
 
I strongly disagree with an American war with Iraq. There are many things that the president is not explaining, and "why now" is one of them. After 12 years, why now? Why now, when the country is in a recession and at least $400 billion in debt. Why now, when the president wants tax cuts that will further increase the national debt. Why now do we have to spend $200 billion on a war that will takes the lives of many Americans and non-Americans. Why, if we're going to attack a dangerous country, don't we attack North Korea, which openly has nuclear weapons that it probably isn't afraid to use. The answer? North Korea doesn't have oil. Do we really need our SUVs that much?

I don't like anti-American sentiment but I can see why it has developed. The rest of the world sees us as rich, boastful pigs who hog everything and want to control the world. 50 years ago our government was terrified of Communism and instituted Containment. Now we are trying to spread our government to the rest of the world, and who says that we are any more in the right than the Communists were? I'm not a Communist, but unlike Democracy, that form of government is "perfect" if it can be accomplished (which it can't, it's not human nature).

I am afraid this is going to develop into another Vietnam, with many pointless deaths and not much being accomplished. My parents had to protest that war, I now find myself protesting a reincarnation.
 
I doubt that we're going to war because of oil. That may be a factor about it, but mostly I think it's because we've had such a bad relationship with the country. Which does bring to the point, why now? Why not a few years ago, or many years ago? Seriously, things would be better off had we done the war years ago! I think all these questions and the arguments would stop if the president would just explain himself!! Well, you have to remember that he was only the president for this term, don't blame him for not taking action sooner, blame our previous presidents.
 
kiki81ny said:
The rest of the world sees us as rich, boastful pigs who hog everything and want to control the world.
True. Americans need to make an effort to understand other nations, but America is misunderstood by others too. We are not interested in world-domination. Our goal here is peace. While the US does want to take self-beneficial actions (what country doesn't?), that is not the main priority of the country. The people of Iraq need to realize that we are trying to help, not take control of them. Think of how much higher the standard of living will be in Iraq after the clean-up of the war. America is doing this to both help Iraq and ensure the safety of the world.

^^That makes me sound like I'm for the war, but I'm not 100%. I don't want to see hundreds, maybe thousands of lives destroyed, but we can't just pretend that Saddam isn't evil.
 
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