Politics Are there any "conservative" sci-fi shows?

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Seth is a known liberal, I have seen it on family guy, and all his fun shows. On the Orville, he claims the future will have no capitalism, and he promotes same sex activities, it may be 2017, and half of America "thinks" its the norm, well the other half don't. I know I'm wasting my time arguing a subject with folks set in their ways, I'm cool with that. But the street goes both ways. I said multiple times, The silly series called Orville is "ok" I just don't dig the liberal goodies seeded in it. I just mute or fast forward it pass the felgercarb.......
 
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Seth is a known liberal, I have seen it on family guy, and all his fun shows. On the Orville, he claims the future will have no capitalism, and he promotes same sex activities, it may be 2017, and half of America "thinks" its the norm, well the other half don't. I know I'm wasting my time arguing a subject with folks set in their ways, I'm cool with that. But the street goes both ways. I said multiple times, The silly series called Orville is "ok" I just don't dig the liberal goodies seeded in it. I just mute or fast forward it pass the felgercarb.......
Nobody is arguing -- if they are, I missed it. :nailbiting:

I suspect that the way Orville is presenting it's lack of capitalism is more due to MacFarlane being heavily influenced by Trek, in particular ST:TNG. Eventually TNG got around to showing that outside of the Federation there was still a thriving desire for money... er, credits... and DS9 carried that forward as well. In the Trek verse the thing about the Federation economy always bugged me a bit as sometimes it seemed more to be an analogy for a socialist utopia versus citizens simply placing a lower importance on wealth.

You'll want to stay away from the various "Arrowverse" shows (Supergirl, The Flash, Arrow, and Legends of Tomorrow) as all feature gay characters, some prominently. Even then though the TNG influence is at work when it comes to Orville.

Do you like any of horror/fantasy/supernatural shows? If you're not watching it already I think Supernatural would likely lean more to the right then the left in comparison to a lot of other shows similar to it.
 

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Yeuppers, I like classic sci-fi, and some new programs also. Me like other folks my age group are easy going, but for last few years or so we have been getting burnt out on programs being a certain way, but one never knows, maybe some more middle of the road sci-fi films may appear.....fingers crossed...
 

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I recall the original Battle Star Galactica less preachy, and the following of the lords of cobalt, was very similar to Christianity. You see before 1990 Sci-fi was truly less preachy of deviant life style. Keeping the felgercarb out of programs that entertain people is a great way to go....;)
 

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"less preachy" yet "similar to Christianity"
Do you see the irony?
Here is an interesting observation by moi, I noticed that both sides of the political spectrum are "worried" about loosing "ground" in their views, weather they are right or wrong, there is fear here. Remember there is always someone on top laughing at both sides.....;) Rock on Icky one.....:cool:
 
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Here is a good gif for demo's and Repubbers';)
This "battle" will never end until someone chills out and takes a more calm stance, but I don't see it ever happening my friend....;)
 

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I think maybe Andromeda that ended in 2005 might fit the bill. It didn't push politics, it was just a fun SciFi show in space that was trying to have it's crew survive in a vastly different culture after the collapse of the Commonwealth.
 

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I think the best way to find conservative shows is to look at the writers that write the episodes.
Any show is comprised of segments of ideas from the person that writes them.
So I did a search for conservative science fiction writers.
It directed me to
10 Sci Fi and Fantasy Works Every Conservative Should Read
From their list, it can be surmised that any episode or show based on the works of these writers will tend to be conservative or be based on conservative themes.

David Brin
Philip K. Dick
William Gibson and Bruce Sterling
Robert Heinlein
Joe Haldeman
Aldous Huxley
Robert E. Howard
H.P. Lovecraft
Walter M. Miller, Jr.
Neal Stephenson

This is merely a list of authors that have written conservative works.
Perhaps, by looking at any authors that are conservative, then considering the shows that are based on their works, a viable list of shows or shows with multiple episodes that are conservative can be made.
 

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I do not care to argue political correctness here, that's not why I come to Alien Soup but I understand what sci-fi-dude was originally saying.

Try it this way, using original Trek as a center line/base (1967) each additional series gradually angles to the less traditional. It happens over more than 50 years but the last offering of the new Trek movie openly shows Sulu with a male partner. That is a long way from where Roddenberry began. His trek was about being inclusive yes, but in his day we didn't have 6-10 genders, some things were not only frowned upon they were illegal so when you think of conservative vs liberal much like Vger you have to go back to point of origin to get a full view. (2017)

A lot happened during that time frame. Personally I prefer grade B sci-fi as it was before 1981. Since then ehh!
 

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I do not care to argue political correctness here, that's not why I come to Alien Soup
It's also why I try to steer those topics away from the 'on topic' threads and move them off into their own threads like this one. If we're going to talk about politics then we might as well have the political topic in it's own self-contained "politics" thread instead of leaking over into random threads about tv shows, movies, books, or anything else. Religion doesn't come up very often around here but if/when it does it'll be handled the same way. :coffee:

6-10 genders
On that topic... there are days when, at 47, I'm not sure if I'm just old or if I'm slightly out of touch with what's going on in the world. Sometimes I see something and have to think "Wait, are... are they serious or is the humor/sarcasm too subtle even for me?".
 

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I do not care to argue political correctness here, that's not why I come to Alien Soup but I understand what sci-fi-dude was originally saying.

Try it this way, using original Trek as a center line/base (1967) each additional series gradually angles to the less traditional. It happens over more than 50 years but the last offering of the new Trek movie openly shows Sulu with a male partner. That is a long way from where Roddenberry began. His trek was about being inclusive yes, but in his day we didn't have 6-10 genders, some things were not only frowned upon they were illegal so when you think of conservative vs liberal much like Vger you have to go back to point of origin to get a full view. (2017)

A lot happened during that time frame. Personally I prefer grade B sci-fi as it was before 1981. Since then ehh!
Thanks Verna, I get's fired up like Yosemite Sam, LOL, Yehaw.:DYou have Great taste....
 

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As for the 2 newest sci-fi space offerings, Orville and Trek, I watched the first episode and other than the special effects wasn't impressed by either. Of the 2, Orville might have been .0006 better. One is free to see, the other pay. If you enjoy them good for you.

I'd rather watch Mayberry reruns.
 

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As for the 2 newest sci-fi space offerings, Orville and Trek, I watched the first episode and other than the special effects wasn't impressed by either. Of the 2, Orville might have been .0006 better. One is free to see, the other pay. If you enjoy them good for you.

I'd rather watch Mayberry reruns.
Andy and Barney, and Gomer, a true classic.
 

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Its all good Icky, I see this stuff on tv, and my thoughts about the left change, sorry, until people chill out, ill stay right, nothing on you icky, you seem cool..
If they keep it up, us southern folke will go even further right, but I'm not here to argue with you, I consider you a friend.:):cheers:
LOL, the feds are watching this folks, uh, ohhhhh.....
 

sci-fi-dude

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This thread is Doa! wooop there it is, wooop wooop!;) I wonder how the world would be if nobody had a political agenda, both sides, are guilty. Maybe there would be peace? Who knows, Or maybe politics are ment to divide good folks? Hmmmmmm!!!;););););)I personally think its a smoke fog to cover up the real issues that's being kicked like a can down the street....;)
 

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I think Firefly is at heart a conservative show despite being written by someone who is supposed to be very progressive. This is a show that celebrates individual freedom above all else, attempting always to slip away from the vice-like grip of central authority. The fact that it is a western hones the point in even more. The crew of the Firefly, and the various outer planets where they have most of their dealings, exist in a setting where the reach of the law is short, very short. Every man is responsible for their own life and safety. That level of freedom is great, but so are the risks and responsibilities that come with it. And the thrust of the show, especially of the captain, Mal, is that this is an acceptable, and much more preferable way to live than to be safer within the stricter laws of the inner worlds where authority is consolidated. There might be greater 'civilisational' comforts and protection in the inner worlds, but there is also far greater intrusion by central authorities on the lives of the individual. And that is something that Mal can't countenance. "You can't take the sky from me... ."

In fact, the ethos of the show is decidedly libertarian. Pretty ironic.

I love this reply.

I hate political labels because they are seldom applied correctly. Many people give different definitions to the labels. However, if I had to label myself, it would be libertarian-conservative. Perhaps libertervative. Fiscally I'm conservative, socially I'm classically liberal. I believe in individual freedom and choice. For example, I'm deeply religious, but I believe gay people should have a choice to marry, although I believe the government should simply not be involved. Government defining marriage isn't good for anyone.

Furthermore, I believe that tyranny and fascism isn't inherently "right" or "left". It can be perpetrated by both sides. I suppose there is merit to that horseshoe model. I promise I'm going somewhere with this!

And here it is! I think political concepts such as individual freedom can be portrayed in sci-fi without taking an ideological side. Firefly seems to be a perfect example of this. Going by today's labels, Whedon does seem to be a sort of leftist-progressive type, and yet he wrote this series wonderfully, leaving out ideology.

This seems to me, to be mostly an issue in TV and movies (though perhaps not a large issue when it comes to sci-fi). Perhaps I haven't read the right novels, but I haven't seen a lot of it in there, at least pervasively.
 

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I can tolerate minimum political views either way, it's just part of life but when a show turns into a lecture / rant, I'm done and won't be back. The best written show I ever saw along those lines was on ST; "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield." It presented both sides and portrayed the politics involved perfectly. Spock's last statement is dead on and still applies.
 
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