http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4198360.stm well, it's official. Creative has won the patent case over the button spread and also software menu accessing layouts. The amount of monies involved in the case are enough to make any gasp, Apple will be fighting a retreating action as it tries to minimise it's "royalty" payments to Creative. is anyone clutching an Ipod right now bothered? i doubt that very much, after all the consumer doesn't have to pay for this situation, although new purchasers might feel the pinch.