Politics democrats and republicans

republicans now control congress
the white house
is that control likely to last
and why?
do you agree with hillary
as the most likely '08 nominee?
 
I think the Democrats need to distance themselves from Republicans to be successful...right now they're looking like 'Republican-lite'. Howard Dean, agrees that this is the step that needs to be taken.

I like Hilary fine, so if she gets the nomination, then I'd be okay with that. But I'm seriously hoping for Edwards/Obama...that would be an awesome ticket, and it's being reported that Edwards will definitely run, if Elizabeth is alright health wise.
 
Itz tha Dreila said:
Democrats need to start being more liberal or there is no future for America.
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Thank you!

We had a topic about this like a month ago, and people (mainly conservatives) were saying that Democrats needed to move more to the center. We are already in the center! Move any more to the center and we'll be Republicans. I think we can relate to more people in the country based on where we stand on issues, and to do that we need to distance ourselves from Republicans. We aren't 'Republican-lite'...we're liberal, there is nothing wrong with that.
 
Jamison said:
Thank you!

We had a topic about this like a month ago, and people (mainly conservatives) were saying that Democrats needed to move more to the center.  We are already in the center!  Move any more to the center and we'll be Republicans.  I think we can relate to more people in the country based on where we stand on issues, and to do that we need to distance ourselves from Republicans.  We aren't 'Republican-lite'...we're liberal, there is nothing wrong with that.
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We shouldn't be "republican-lite" that's not what democrats are supposed to be, and it surely doesn't help society any.

lately democrats have been looking towards religion too much.. its sad that democrats are even looking in the bible too much.
 
Some people that I knew didn't vote because they didn't see a huge difference in Bush and Kerry. I hate to agree because it's not as if they were polar opposites, they were side by side with a few differences. Take Kerry for instance. Instead of saying that he could make the reason going to war justifiable if he were elected, he should have said that we're shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place.

The party needs some moxy and spunk. Sometimes, in order to win, you have to go right for the jugular, just like the Republicans did during this campaign and the RNC. We need to be liberal not a "lite" version as Jamison said. Just like how Ashlee Simpson and Avril Lavigne are the punk lite, and we do not want to be like them!
 
we're liberal, there is nothing wrong with that.

Technically you're probably closer to socialism with liberal social views as opposed to liberal.

Its not just conservatives that will think that you need to shift. The best way I can explain it is a with a link to British politics. After Conservative domination of the electoral system for 18 years Labour realised that the consensus was now a right wing one and shifted to the right. Its happened in loads of places, that was the Third Way was in 1997 with Schoder, Italian PM who's name I can't spell, Clinton and Blair. Even Clinton said "big government is dead."

Basically the left wing became unelectable. The growth of evangelicalism means you have a massive base of people who need to be convinced to stay at home or vote democrat, there not going to do that with the current positions. Sure you want to maintain your identity but if your in opposition theres not much you can do.
 
I just don't see our party being successful if we don't distance ourselves from the Republicans.

A lot of people voted for Kerry because he was the 'lesser of two evils'. It shouldn't be like that. People should want to vote for the candidate. I think a lot of that was he didn't seem all the different from Bush.
 
Jamison said:
I just don't see our party being successful if we don't distance ourselves from the Republicans.

A lot of people voted for Kerry because he was the 'lesser of two evils'.  It should be like that.  People should want to vote for the candidate.  I think a lot of that was he didn't seem all the different from Bush.
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You have no idea how many times I've heard "lesser of the two evils" line, it's ridiculous!
 
This might make people angry, but liberals tend to want what's worst for the country in my opinion. Their policies would really only do well if America lived in an air-tight bubble above the earth away from everyone else. Democrats moving slightly toward liberal is a good way to give them a jump start, but I'd really rather not see them go too far.
 
[quote name='Queen Anne's Lace' date='May 18 2005, 05:34 PM']This might make people angry, but liberals tend to want what's worst for the country in my opinion. Their policies would really only do well if America lived in an air-tight bubble above the earth away from everyone else. Democrats moving slightly toward liberal is a good way to give them a jump start, but I'd really rather not see them go too far.
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I do disagree, but of course that's to be expected. I don't understand how we want what's worst for the country though... :confused:
 
from now on, I'm voting Green. that way, the democrats will keep losing and eventually disappear. the Democratic Party is a disgrace to the liberals in America. the US only think that Democrats are liberal cuz the country is conservative. Democrats are actually in the centre and Republicans are more centre-right. you want liberal? look at the Green Party.

if Republicans keep controlling the gov't, something very terrible is bound to happen. something worse than the War in Iraq.
 
the_alliance said:
from now on, I'm voting Green. that way, the democrats will keep losing and eventually disappear. the Democratic Party is a disgrace to the liberals in America. the US only think that Democrats are liberal cuz the country is conservative. Democrats are actually in the centre and Republicans are more centre-right. you want liberal? look at the Green Party.

if Republicans keep controlling the gov't, something very terrible is bound to happen. something worse than the War in Iraq.
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If Republicans keep winning (and will cause something terrible), and as of now third party candidates don't stand a chance, why wouldn't you vote for Democrats.

And why on earth is the Democratic party a disgrace?

I haven't been happy with their campaigning techniques or really happy with their candidate last year, but what have they done that is so awful?

And why do they want the worst for America?
 
Jamison said:
If Republicans keep winning (and will cause something terrible), and as of now third party candidates don't stand a chance, why wouldn't you vote for Democrats.

And why on earth is the Democratic party a disgrace?

I haven't been happy with their campaigning techniques or really happy with their candidate last year, but what have they done that is so awful?

And why do they want the worst for America?
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third parties don't have a chance because the two-party system keeps both Democrats AND Republicans in power. a third party would take power away from them and they dont want that. that's why they make Americans like you and me think that voting Green is throwing away a vote. then nobody votes for the Greens and Greens never get elected. if everyone voted the way they wanted to, many democrats would vote Green. that would be enough to make a difference.

the Democratic Party is a disgrace, because they are not really liberal.

they dont want the worst for America. im saying that the Republican-controlled gov't will bring about the worst for America. a single party controlling the gov't for too long is always a bad thing. as we go down this road of ultra-conservativism, we need a more liberal party than the Democratic Party.
 
the_alliance said:
third parties don't have a chance because the two-party system keeps both Democrats AND Republicans in power. a third party would take power away from them and they dont want that. that's why they make Americans like you and me think that voting Green is throwing away a vote. then nobody votes for the Greens and Greens never get elected. if everyone voted the way they wanted to, many democrats would vote Green. that would be enough to make a difference.

the Democratic Party is a disgrace, because they are not really liberal.

they dont want the worst for America. im saying that the Republican-controlled gov't will bring about the worst for America. a single party controlling the gov't for too long is always a bad thing. as we go down this road of ultra-conservativism, we need a more liberal party than the Democratic Party.
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I think people realize they can vote for whoever they want, or not vote at all. But, people don't hear a lot about third party candidates, and would maybe rather vote for a major party, and maybe, the Green Party is too liberal for some people.

Sure the Democratic Party isn't really truly 'liberal' in the dictionary sense of the word, and I do agree they need to move more to the left. But to call them a disgrace for a title that the media and that Republicans have basically given them isn't fair.

And I know that you didn't say they want the worst for America, but someone did, and I was just putting that question out there, because it confused me.
 
Jamison said:
I think people realize they can vote for whoever they want, or not vote at all.  But, people don't hear a lot about third party candidates, and would maybe rather vote for a major party, and maybe, the Green Party is too liberal for some people.

Sure the Democratic Party isn't really truly 'liberal' in the dictionary sense of the word, and I do agree they need to move more to the left.  But to call them a disgrace for a title that the media and that Republicans have basically given them isn't fair.

And I know that you didn't say they want the worst for America, but someone did, and I was just putting that question out there, because it confused me.
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but democrats need to get their act together or else they'll end up like the Whigs. when a big issue such as slavery came up, the Whigs were caught off guard and so they tried to brush it off. eventually, it caught up to them and it bit them in the arse.

likewise, something big (maybe like a constitutional overhaul) will do the same to the democrats if they aren't unified.
 
Thats the real danger, if you won't shift towards the poltical consensus which is definaltly on the right, there won't be a democratic party in 10 years to elect.

How do you think Labour got elected? The lesser of two evils, (a recession helped) then and only then can you attempt to shift the focuse leftwards.
 
sugababyboo said:
Some people that I knew didn't vote because they didn't see a huge difference in Bush and Kerry.  I hate to agree because it's not as if they were polar opposites, they were side by side with a few differences.  Take Kerry for instance. Instead of saying that he could make the reason going to war justifiable if he were elected, he should have said that we're shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place.

The party needs some moxy and spunk.  Sometimes, in order to win, you have to go right for the jugular, just like the Republicans did during this campaign and the RNC.  We need to be liberal not a "lite" version as Jamison said.  Just like how Ashlee Simpson and  Avril Lavigne are the punk lite, and we do not want to be like them!
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well said...
 
yea, if there is to be any future to the democratic party it has to change. people have to make a difference. candidates have to change. instead of doing what their party wants to do.. do what they feel is right.. and don't be a watered-down version of president bush
 
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