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How come vampires and demons count as sci fi?

Discussion in 'Sci-Fi and Fantasy Talk' started by Cyborger, Apr 21, 2010.

  1. Cyborger

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    On another forum this subject came up and one member, instead of explaining it, just copy & pasted this definition of science fiction:

    This is fine and all but I still don't see how any of this answers my question. Vampires and demons are more like occult, paranormal and/or horror, right? But what makes them science fiction? Please explain.
     
  2. Wolfrunner

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    It probably depends on how you cast the vampires or demons. If you cast them as aliens or genetically altered humans then you should be able to pass it off as Sci fi.

    I don't know if everyone else agrees with this definition but it is at least the way I see it.
     
  3. Tim

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    Could simply say that fantasy is a sub genre of scifi? Scifi being 'speculative fiction' covers everything under the sun that is not current or past events/technology/races? And I think we can safely assume that vampires and werewolves are fiction and do not and have never existed on our planet :)
     
  4. Cyborger

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    I'm talking about the soulless creature of the night type of vampire and the straight from hell type of demon.

    As far as fiction and fantasy go they're fine but where does science come in? Unless the story involves scientific proof of vampires, they shouldn't be scifi IMO.
     
  5. Kevin

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    It all depends upon what the definition of vampire is. There is the traditional fantasy 'bitten by a bat' explanation but some works have explored vampires as being the result of other factors such as a genetic mutation disease (eg: I am Legend) or even exterterrestial (eg: Lifeforce). I think those alternate origins would fall more under the 'science' label instead of fantasy.
     
  6. AliseEdwardsLovesMusic

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    Do vampires really count as sci-fi? I am not sure how I feel about that.. So would that mean Twilight is sci-fi? I like vampire movies, but hadn't considered it to be sci-fi.
     
  7. Wolfrunner

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    A new film has come out in the cinemas called Daybreakers, directed by Michael Spierig and Peter Spierig that may shed some light on what is being discussed in this thread.

    I have copied the plot summary from IMDB for everyone to get the idea of the story:

     
  8. Tim

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    I just remembered an argument point which is clearer in some ways than "speculative fiction" and was used to describe anything in laymans terms to describe anything under the scifi umbrella:

    "out there"

    So anything that is "out there" is scifi. Vampires and Werewolves included! There just isn't any other category it belongs in really. An alternate world, much like our own, with only one small intrinsic difference, would be classed as "out there". Putting that one simple difference in reclassifies something from fiction, to science fiction.
     
  9. Captain Asteroid

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    Can vampires, demons & werewolves survive in space?
     
  10. Kevin

    Kevin Code Monkey Staff Abductee

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    For the vampires, see Lifeforce! For demons, you have your choice of movies but Event Horizons comes to mind plus going back further there is Hellraiser: Bloodline (aka: Pinhead in Space). As for werewolves.... um.... uh.... hhhhmmmm.... dang it, I'm coming up with nothing for that one.
     
  11. Captain Asteroid

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    Didn't there used to be a comic called 'Man-Wolf?' I recall one issue when Man-Wolf was actually on the moon. He survived (I think).
     
  12. Dalamar

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    Vampires and demons should be put in the fantasy category , in my humble opinion, since fantasy goes without the speculation. In fantasy it's very common to just explain everything with "It's a different universe" and of course the trump card for everything "it works with magic". In the same line of thought - vampires (the regular deal , no genetic alteration or alien life forms) should pass as fantasy.
     
  13. PNEawf

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    This.....

    and that many people who like sci-fi also like fantasy.
     

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