welcome to a thread to discuss the middle east and its politics, please do not be a bigot, and please keep an open mind, and no anti semetic stuff!!!
First off: there was another suicide bombing today
who here still thinks palestinians are helpless? they use bombs to kill our citizens regularly, their leader has known connections to hamas, islamic jihad, al aqsa matyers brigade, hezbollah, etc. and y is it that they want israel? it does not mention yerushalim a single time in the koran, the other arab nations have so much more money and land than israel, than y cant they go there? u know y cuz they dont want them either!! jordan even killed thousands of them once!!!
more to come soon please respond without mudslinging
SOME BASIC FACTS
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Statistics Speak for Themselves</span>
Jerusalem Media & Communications Center, run by Ghassan Khatib (of the PA) as published in Ha'aretz, June 27) and the Canadian Jewish News (July 5, 2001)
Support for the intifada
79% of Palestinians support the intifadah
Almost 69% support homicide bombings against Israelis (26% in March 1999)
Goals of the intifada
45.6% said intifada is about ending "Israeli occupation" and establishing a Palestinian state based on UN Security Council Resolution 242.
41.2% said the goal of the intifada's goal was the "total liberation of Palestinian land" - meaning Israel's destruction.
9.2% consider the uprising aim to be a tactic for improving negotiation conditions
Settlements
67.1% rejected ending the uprising in return for "ending Jewish settlement"
25.1% approved
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>
A list of truths</span>
1. Nationhood and Jerusalem - Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
4. Arabs have only had control of Israel twice - from 634 until the Crusader invasion in June 1099, and from 1292 until the year 1517 when they were dispelled by the Turks in their conquest.
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. There are vague references to Jerusalem in the Hadiths - stories about Mohammed - that he stopped his night journey at ''the edge'' - at the edge of the Temple mount.
7. King David established the city of Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Some Muslims (i.e. those between Israel and Saudi Arabia) pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.
9. Arab and Jewish Refugees - In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.
12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.
13. The Arab - Israeli Conflict - The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.
14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.
16. The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs - Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.
18. The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.
19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.
Things that make you go hmmm - maps of the Middle East.
to see a area map click here
The first problem: When Arabs describe Palestine, they talk about only what is now Israel. Historical Palestine included what is now Israel (17.8%), the West Bank, Gaza (5.3% together) and Jordan (76.9%). For more about the great Palestine lie, go to Peace for Palestine and Masada 2000.
The first two are maps of the entire Middle East. Israel makes up 0.15% of the entire Middle East land mass. Yes, if there was 200 units of land in the Middle East, Israel would have ONE of them. I believe that of all these countries, Israel only has warm peace with Turkey (as opposed to the cold peace with Egypt and Jordan).
all of this is courtesy of http://www.middleeastfacts.com/
First off: there was another suicide bombing today
who here still thinks palestinians are helpless? they use bombs to kill our citizens regularly, their leader has known connections to hamas, islamic jihad, al aqsa matyers brigade, hezbollah, etc. and y is it that they want israel? it does not mention yerushalim a single time in the koran, the other arab nations have so much more money and land than israel, than y cant they go there? u know y cuz they dont want them either!! jordan even killed thousands of them once!!!
more to come soon please respond without mudslinging
SOME BASIC FACTS
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Statistics Speak for Themselves</span>
Jerusalem Media & Communications Center, run by Ghassan Khatib (of the PA) as published in Ha'aretz, June 27) and the Canadian Jewish News (July 5, 2001)
Support for the intifada
79% of Palestinians support the intifadah
Almost 69% support homicide bombings against Israelis (26% in March 1999)
Goals of the intifada
45.6% said intifada is about ending "Israeli occupation" and establishing a Palestinian state based on UN Security Council Resolution 242.
41.2% said the goal of the intifada's goal was the "total liberation of Palestinian land" - meaning Israel's destruction.
9.2% consider the uprising aim to be a tactic for improving negotiation conditions
Settlements
67.1% rejected ending the uprising in return for "ending Jewish settlement"
25.1% approved
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>
A list of truths</span>
1. Nationhood and Jerusalem - Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
4. Arabs have only had control of Israel twice - from 634 until the Crusader invasion in June 1099, and from 1292 until the year 1517 when they were dispelled by the Turks in their conquest.
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. There are vague references to Jerusalem in the Hadiths - stories about Mohammed - that he stopped his night journey at ''the edge'' - at the edge of the Temple mount.
7. King David established the city of Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Some Muslims (i.e. those between Israel and Saudi Arabia) pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.
9. Arab and Jewish Refugees - In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.
12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.
13. The Arab - Israeli Conflict - The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.
14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.
16. The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs - Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.
18. The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.
19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.
Things that make you go hmmm - maps of the Middle East.
to see a area map click here
The first problem: When Arabs describe Palestine, they talk about only what is now Israel. Historical Palestine included what is now Israel (17.8%), the West Bank, Gaza (5.3% together) and Jordan (76.9%). For more about the great Palestine lie, go to Peace for Palestine and Masada 2000.
The first two are maps of the entire Middle East. Israel makes up 0.15% of the entire Middle East land mass. Yes, if there was 200 units of land in the Middle East, Israel would have ONE of them. I believe that of all these countries, Israel only has warm peace with Turkey (as opposed to the cold peace with Egypt and Jordan).
all of this is courtesy of http://www.middleeastfacts.com/
