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compared with the good they do it is minor, its only a few individulas, i5t is not like the whole of the un are out there fu**ing everyone. And they are more united than they would be if it didnt exist, stop dissing the un, they do alot of good.
There are more cases of mis-treatment by us forces than there ar eun
There are more cases of mis-treatment by us forces than there ar eun
Scarlet Crystal
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i just think bombing like these are getting us nowhere as a league of nations. why murdering your enemies is the best route is a mystery to me.
Hmm usually I try to avoid political debates online, but I need to clarify a few things. I'm Lebanese, so I'm directly affected by the assassination and all the events that have followed.
On the question of who killed PM Hariri, I can tell you this: Syrian and (Pro-Syrian) Lebanese intelligence. We don't need proof, because we know them and what they're capable of. This is not the first assassination they've done, and there's no way to know if it will be the last. All the signs are there and they point in that direction.
The investigations are still going, and there's an international team now involved upon the request of the Lebanese Opposition because they don't trust our Pro-Syrian government to do their job. Anyway, the latest news concerning the investigation is that there's evidence missing, which is further proof for us that this was done by the people I mentioned above.
As for those who are wondering what Syria's role in Lebanon is, I'll try to make this brief. When the civil war started in 1975, Syrian troops were called into Lebanon to help control the situation. However, in 1990, after the war was over, there was an agreement called "Ta'if" which states that all Syrian troops and intelligence agents are to leave Lebanon.
Of course the Syrian government didn't leave. They had total control over the country, and it was in their best interest to stay. Since that time, every Lebanese government that has existed was Pro-Syrian, meaning *they* picked our lawmakers and presidents and so on. Lebanon, unlike all the other Arab countries, has always been a democracy so this wasn't working for us. They were (and still are) violating our most basic rights. Every opposition leader that had threatened their situation was assassinated.
This is how we've been living for 30 years. They have control over the elections, the economy, the money; they can do whatever they want. And we've had just about enough. Mr. Hariri was a very important figure, he had strong relations with Arab and European figures, and by assassinating him, they have made the worst mistake they could ever make. Now, demands of Syrian withdrawals are no longer internal, they are international. And the opposition, which used to be mostly Christian, now includes large numbers of Sunnis and Druze (the late PM was Sunni), so the Lebanese people are more united than any time before.
The Syrian government is under a lot of pressure from the US, France and the international community, so they have no choice but to withdraw, which they have already started doing. They are stalling, because they're obviously not pleased, but there's nothing they can do about it. I hope that the international community, namly the US, France and the UN will continue to pressure Syria. We need the international support as we are a tiny country and cannot face Syria on our own.
Wow that was long. Sorry about that. I hope I clarified a few issues. I wouldn't mind answering questions if anyone is curious.
On the question of who killed PM Hariri, I can tell you this: Syrian and (Pro-Syrian) Lebanese intelligence. We don't need proof, because we know them and what they're capable of. This is not the first assassination they've done, and there's no way to know if it will be the last. All the signs are there and they point in that direction.
The investigations are still going, and there's an international team now involved upon the request of the Lebanese Opposition because they don't trust our Pro-Syrian government to do their job. Anyway, the latest news concerning the investigation is that there's evidence missing, which is further proof for us that this was done by the people I mentioned above.
As for those who are wondering what Syria's role in Lebanon is, I'll try to make this brief. When the civil war started in 1975, Syrian troops were called into Lebanon to help control the situation. However, in 1990, after the war was over, there was an agreement called "Ta'if" which states that all Syrian troops and intelligence agents are to leave Lebanon.
Of course the Syrian government didn't leave. They had total control over the country, and it was in their best interest to stay. Since that time, every Lebanese government that has existed was Pro-Syrian, meaning *they* picked our lawmakers and presidents and so on. Lebanon, unlike all the other Arab countries, has always been a democracy so this wasn't working for us. They were (and still are) violating our most basic rights. Every opposition leader that had threatened their situation was assassinated.
This is how we've been living for 30 years. They have control over the elections, the economy, the money; they can do whatever they want. And we've had just about enough. Mr. Hariri was a very important figure, he had strong relations with Arab and European figures, and by assassinating him, they have made the worst mistake they could ever make. Now, demands of Syrian withdrawals are no longer internal, they are international. And the opposition, which used to be mostly Christian, now includes large numbers of Sunnis and Druze (the late PM was Sunni), so the Lebanese people are more united than any time before.
The Syrian government is under a lot of pressure from the US, France and the international community, so they have no choice but to withdraw, which they have already started doing. They are stalling, because they're obviously not pleased, but there's nothing they can do about it. I hope that the international community, namly the US, France and the UN will continue to pressure Syria. We need the international support as we are a tiny country and cannot face Syria on our own.
Wow that was long. Sorry about that. I hope I clarified a few issues. I wouldn't mind answering questions if anyone is curious.
Scarlet Crystal
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no worries! i hope syria gets a move on as quickly as possible (for all our sakes). i would hate to have yet another open war going...
I just have two questions.
If it is the case that you want Syria out would you be willing for a coalition from the West led by America to invade and force them?
and
If Syria withdraw will the country degenerate into civil war again? I vaugely remember the first war and I do remember the British hostages that were taken like Terry Waite.
If it is the case that you want Syria out would you be willing for a coalition from the West led by America to invade and force them?
and
If Syria withdraw will the country degenerate into civil war again? I vaugely remember the first war and I do remember the British hostages that were taken like Terry Waite.
noggi16 said:
To be honest, if the assassination hadn't occured, nothing would have changed. Before the assassination, some people were seriously considering that any help from the Western countries, including an invasion, was the only way out of this situation. But an invasion would have meant war, and none of us wanted to go back to that period. However, the country was heading towards wreckage, mostly economic, and people were getting desperate. But now, it seems that they are being forced out without literally being forced out, if you know what I mean. They're not withdrawing out of the kindness of their hearts, they are withdrawing because they have to. So right now? No, I wouldn't want a Western invasion.
No, I honestly believe that the country will not degenerate into civil war again. Believe me, no Lebanese citizen would like to go back to the horrific years we went through. Syria was staying in Lebanon under the pretext that they are keeping us safe, from Israel and from each other. The message they send is that if they leave, war will break again because we are divided. I don't know if you're following the news, but last monday (the 14th) we had the biggest anti-Syrian rally in a long long time. I was there, and I saw people from all over the country, with different religious beliefs, different ethnic backgrouns, all gathered as one and uniting against a nation of tyranny. This time we're not against one another, we are united against a common target. The only problem we have left is Hizbolla, and their followers, who are Pro-Syrian and Anti-American.
That will be delt with once we get our freedom from Syria. They won't give up their weapons, and I'm not sure how that will be delt with, but I think that if America really wants to disarm them, then they might use force on them. No other group in Lebanon is armed, except for the Palestinians in their refugee camps (who, in turn, cause a problem of their own).
a polite word from Russia? what are you talking about? the USA is not making this all about them. there are so many countries involved in this, including Arab countries like Saudi Arabia who have not-so-politely asked (or told) Syria to get its troops out of Lebanon.cinders said:
thank you! i'm so glad to find someone who's rational. to add to that list, maybe there would be less people living in poverty, less unfair trade practices, and the end of genocide in Sudan. what the US chooses not to get involved in sometimes makes my stomach turn.noggi16 said:
cinders, you get so hysterical all the time, but you rarely have any facts to back up your rants. the US does not get involved in everything. but i see no problem with the US becoming diplomatically involved with the Syria/Lebanon issue. now, if we started dropping bombs on Syria, then yes, i'd be a little concerned, but the US is simply involved diplomatically with many other countries concerning this issue.
