I'm sure it's more then 2310 barrels of petroleum, and 1700 a day from Canada. The way Americans go through gasoline is insane, however it's our way of living. We don't have public transportation like other countries do. Would you give up your car?Originally posted by frostydf2+May 3 2006, 07:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (frostydf2 @ May 3 2006, 07:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Aries@May 3 2006, 04:14 PM
OK frosty, since reason doesn't seem to be in your vocabulary, let me hit you with a little bit of knowledge:
- 2310 barrels of petroleum and 1700 barrels of oil daily come to America from Canada, compared to the 500 barrels of petroleum and 500 barrels of oil from Iraq
- The 100 percent electric car has been around for 100 years, Henry Ford invented it for his wife
- Prices for all grades of gasoline are 21.8 percent higher than they were last September, and August home heating oil prices were 63.3 percent higher than a year ago
- America has spent $277, 900, 000, 000+ on the war in Iraq (just imagine what else that money could have been spent on)
- There have been 17, 000+ American soldiers wounded and 2,407 have lost their lives in Iraq
What WOULD we do without the war in Iraq. <_<
Want more facts?...Halabja. In mid-March of 1988, Saddam Hussein and his cousin Ali
Hassan alMajid -- the infamous "Chemical Ali" -- ordered the dropping
of chemical weapons on the town of Halabja in northeastern Iraq. This
killed an estimated 5,000 civilians, and is a war crime and a crime
against humanity.....
...Human Rights Watch estimated that between 50,000
and 100,000 Kurds were killed. Based on their review of captured Iraqi
documents, interviews with hundreds of eyewitnesses, and on-site
forensic investigations, they concluded that the Anfal campaign was
genocide. I challenge anyone to read the evidence cited in Iraq's
Crime of Genocide and come to any different conclusion...
The Case for Justice in Iraq
By David J. Scheffer
Ambassador-at-Large for War Crimes Issues
However, lets say the entire Iraqi war was about oil. Ok, what's the big deal? "So all of the big corporations can do their corporation thing, and get lotsa money." Sorry buddy, but this economy is FUELD by oil. I'd fight for it.
If you're going to complain about the war in Iraq. Then you better be able to shut your mouth about rising gas prices. It is supply, and demand. Granted I dislike it, but a barrel of oil is $72~. If you're ok with spending $5, $6, maybe even $8-$9 at the gas pump for a gallon, then go ahead and rant all you want about how we're in Iraq for oil, and how we're going to drill in Alaska.
The "flash movie" does have a name and is credited to www.infowars.com. Actualy watching the "flash movie" before commenting on it next time might help <_< .Originally posted by frostydf2@May 4 2006, 05:07 AM
I'll have to disagree with you. You need to really watch some Discovery films instead of some no-name flash movie with no credibility with craploads of propaganda.
So you're saying you'll SAVE money by purchasing an eletric car? WRONG!!! You couldn't be more wrong then ever, in fact it will end up costing you more money in the long run, how, and why?What on earth do you mean would an electric car fit the average consumer? OF COURSE IT WOULD! Not spending insane amounts of money on gasoline and polluting the environment would fit everyone like a glove.
Americas economy is built upon oil. The ENTIRE economy. Imagine a day without Mexicans? Yea right! Imagine a day without gasoline, or oil. You don't think thats worth fighting for?The point I am trying to make about gasoline is that the Iraq war has actualy made things worse, and if you would fight in a war for oil I feel sorry for you.
Jesus was jewish, and he wasn't white! omggg!Originally posted by Xhar@May 5 2006, 02:07 PM
Hey Xblood, here it goes... Jesus was a Middle eastern Buhdist born into a Jewish Family ... ball is in your court (gets ready for the return)!
Xhar
Everyone always says liberal like it's a bad thing.Originally posted by frostydf2@May 5 2006, 07:02 PM
Liberls always come in certain views.
Hey why don't you go look up the price of a hydrogen powered car, and then get back to me on if it is consumer friendly k?
House, or energy effecient vehicle? You decide.
You are referring to the hybrid car. I, my friend, am referring to the ELECTRIC CAR.Originally posted by frostydf2@May 5 2006, 05:07 AM
On first note, I did watch the movie
So you're saying you'll SAVE money by purchasing an eletric car? WRONG!!! You couldn't be more wrong then ever, in fact it will end up costing you more money in the long run, how, and why?What on earth do you mean would an electric car fit the average consumer? OF COURSE IT WOULD! Not spending insane amounts of money on gasoline and polluting the environment would fit everyone like a glove.
Lets say you get 60mpg in your new hybrid car. Now lets assume that you only get 30mpg, but you only pay $1.40 at the gas pump. Easy isn't it? Half the mpg, half the price of gas. Makes things simple. Now lets say you buy a small Honda. You get 35mpg, and you pay $2.80 a gallon. Still with me?
Next, we're going to start off the initial costs. On average a hybrid car will cost you $6,500 more then a regular gas car. So you say, "BUT WAIT!!! I'm still only paying half at the pump! So in the long run I'll save money, and the enviorment!" You are wrong again, so let me continue.
Ever 2-3 years you must replace the battery inside of a hybrid vehicle. That will run you around $1.2k ~ $3k. So lets give you the benefit of the doubt, you are the lucky one. Your battery lasts you 3 years, and you only have to pay $1.5k to replace it. Thats $500 a year just for a battery. Now lets do some simple calculations....
You could get 178 gallons of gas rounded down a year EXTRA just from staying to purely gas vehicle. That in itself is 6,250 miles for the gas run honda we were speaking of earlier. PLUS. That's giving you the benefit of the doubt as well. What if it only lasted 2 years, and you had to pay $3k?
So, some of you may see where I am going. However, I'll still continue for those who want to persist on argueing the situation. You had to pay an EXTRA $6,000 at the start right? Well an average consumer will keep a vehicle for 5 years. So you figure you are paying another extra $1.2K a year for that hybrid car. EXTRA. So from staying to a pure honda gasoline vehicle you will get an extra 428 gallons of gasoline rounding down again. Multiply that by 35, thats an extra 15,000 miles you gain.
Lets format this really quick
15,000
+ 6,250
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21,250 extra miles you gain by just staying gasoline. That's not even counting how fast your electric car is going to depreciate next to that honda you could have purchased.
Do you really save money? No. So for the average consumer, the answer is hybrid ISN'T FOR YOU!!!
Americas economy is built upon oil. The ENTIRE economy. Imagine a day without Mexicans? Yea right! Imagine a day without gasoline, or oil. You don't think thats worth fighting for?The point I am trying to make about gasoline is that the Iraq war has actualy made things worse, and if you would fight in a war for oil I feel sorry for you.
I don't see why you wouldn't want to.
One last thing. I find it humerous that every major tragedy in the United States can't be blamed on other countries. It's as if the United States is a horrible country that needs to kill itself to get the point accross. Pearl Harbor, Vietnam, 9/11, Illegal Immigrants. In every event, the United States has to take the blame for something that happend.
Sad truth.Originally posted by HJ-Rowell@May 6 2006, 12:26 AM
"Will investigating 9/11 change things? Probably not. The US has already walked the path it is on, and finding the truth will not undo those steps."