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Sarah
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I know just what you mean Sarkie47!! It's getting crazy!
totally4alias10
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Amen!!Sarkie47 said:
AliasHombre
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Yes i agree totally.totally4alias10 said:Thanks!! Now someone agrees with me!! ( I know this is late! )Sarah said:
Kill Saddam.
re-elect Bush.
totally4alias10
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yay!! Another person!!AliasHombre said:Yes i agree totally.totally4alias10 said:Thanks!! Now someone agrees with me!! ( I know this is late! )Sarah said:
Kill Saddam.
re-elect Bush.
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Sarah
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LOL! YAy!
I am one of 5 people that stand up for the pledge in our class. out of 31 students. even theteacher wont...she stands, but she wont look at the flag...she puts her head down. And a bunch of teachers in my school are war veterans! its so sad to see that happening! Why don't you all just move to Iraq or something!! See how you like it over there! Then you'll see if you appreciate America!! They probably don't think about this...but they are so incredibly lucky that they can make fun of Bush as much as they want...even on national TV...in some countries theyd get shot for that...
Existentialist
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That last bit is true... Imagine how many people would die if "That's Our Bush" (or whatever that ridiculous comedy central spoof is) ran in another country and it was like... "That's Our Saddam" or something. I can't say that I'm a big Bush fan, but at least he has a sense of humor.
But just because you don't stand up for the pledge doesn't mean that you're not patriotic. Patriotism is pretty subjective. It can be shown in many different ways. I don't think that you should have to say a pledge to your country every day... 'cause really, they're only words. Some people take it to heart... but some don't. I mean, when I was in elem. school, I had to say it every day. And I grew up in a very agnostic household, so I was always confused by the "god" part. And even when I was that young, I was thinking, "but what about african americans and the rest of us who aren't white?" when I said the "... and justice for all" part. I don't know. So I guess what I'm trying to say, without being negative in any way, is that just because people won't say the pledge doesn't mean that they should be deported from the US. Like you said, Americans are lucky because they have freedom to make fun of someone in as high a position as Bush... so they should also have freedom whether to say the pledge or not.
Existentialist
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I see... I misunderstood you there. That's a good point. I don't think standing up is very much of a big deal at all. I mean, at like every sporting event ever, everyone stands up for the singing of the national anthem... doesn't matter if you sing or not (for whatever reason), you always at least stand. And take off your hat.
Existentialist
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No, I didn't, but that's interesting. She wasn't facing another flag, was she? One time, some guy I know refused to take off his hat during the singing of the national anthem... I think he was having a bad hair day or something... so a teacher reached over and snatched it off. It was pretty funny.
I remember, at my old high school, the new stadium was built weird, so everyone on the home stands had to turn around to face the flag. People decided that would be unsafe (kids tumbling down bleachers backwards and so forth), so everyone just started facing center field, which meant, of course, that we all had our backs to the flag.
crazy spinster
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ohmygoodness. i'm sorry but once i had an image of kids tumbling down the bleachers backwards, i couldn't stop laughing. i know it's not funny, but i just couldn't help it.Existentialist said:
sorry, that was random, but hey, this IS the random forum, isn't it?
okay, just to get on topic - when i was young, i honestly didn't know what the heck i was saying when i did the pledge of allegiance every morning. i just said it by rote morning after morning after morning. eventually, it just meant nothing to me. and i suspect it's like that for millions of other children too. i honestly don't believe that children know what they're saying or even WHY they're saying it. which is just sad; i think if you're going to make children do the pledge of allegiance every morning, they should at least be taught why they're doing what they're doing.
and as for the god part....well, that's a rather hot topic. i don't really feel like going into it because then i won't shut up.
AliasHombre
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We don't even do the pledge.SydB_JenG said:
I remember I was taught what it meant...my teachers would go through it all the time...I thought all the schools did that.
It's a lw in our state to say the pledge of allegiance every morning...we didnt start doing it till end of last year when some kid found it in a law book or something...
It's a lw in our state to say the pledge of allegiance every morning...we didnt start doing it till end of last year when some kid found it in a law book or something...
One thing I'm not liking right now is how the media is using the terms "pro-war" and "pro-troops" interchangeably--a practice that distorts the views of anti-war demonstrators and contributes to the media marginalization of the peace movement. A lot of people who are anti-war right now are pro-troops as well...its not fair to say that they aren't
