When we colonize another planet.......

painkiller64

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Where do you think it could be?
How would we get there?
How long do you think it should take to get there?
What should we do when we get there?
If there is life already there, what should we do?
Should we wait to be contacted by another race before we go?

I could go on and on but i will let you add in what you want.

Let's make this a community effort and see what we can brainstorm.
 

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Are moons considered "planets" as well for the topic or only true planets?

With that question you can likely see where I think we'll be going first... some type of lunar base first and then, after that becomes the norm, moving out to other bodies such as Mars.
 
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I too agree on the moons. Less chance of a "failed" mission (especially with weather spurts like on Mars). Actually, I would find it hilarious if the future was Total Recall-like :D
 

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I just don't see any reason to try to colonize any planet in this system. Would you really want to live on Mars? Or Mercury? Got a clear idea of what a sunny day on Io would be like? (like a sunny night on earth)

The only way this would work is planets in other systems or artifical planets in similar orbit distance.

So, happy hunting.
 
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Then too, should we really take on other planets when we can't manage this one?
Very true...


I was just thinking, like there are people that think even Venus would be colonizable (is that a word?), however the thick acid rain, pressure crushing anything in the atmosphere, and poisonous gases everywhere... Sounds great! My bags are PACKED!

There is a reason why Earth can sustain life, and that it is the perfect climate for civilization (kind of like how everything needs to be perfect for a woman to orgasm :eek: , not to be disgusting or anything). There are more than likely other worlds out there that are the same, just not in this system. And who knows, by the time we invent stuff that can travel light speed, our Earth could be engulfed by our sun, destroyed by ourselves, or conquered by other species.
 

painkiller64

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natural order dictates that we venture forth and colonize. we did it hundreds and even thousands of years ago here, so why not out there in the cosmos?

its not just a need to colonize the cosmos, it is a necessity. the moon is a good start as kevin brought up and mars is the only other logical planet to move to and all the other moons in our system are possibilities, yet remember that these are all just stepping stones to move futher out in the universe.

linrobinson wrote:
I just don't see any reason to try to colonize any planet in this system. Would you really want to live on Mars? Or Mercury? Got a clear idea of what a sunny day on Io would be like? (like a sunny night on earth)
just because we cant see it or touch it doesnt mean that we cant or shouldnt do it.

if you colonize it, we will come (spoof on a good movie)
 

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I've said it before and I'll say it again.......................Man is, by his very nature, an exploratory creature.

Ever since Prometheus first brought fire to the mortals, man has looked to the heavens and wondered , "What's up there? What's in those heavens?". I'm not a gambling man, but I'd be willing to wager that all of us here have, at one time or another, looked up at the skies at night and wondered what's out there.

As for exploring other planets..........it may not happen in the near future, but one day man will spread his wings out and take flight to other worlds, other planets. Tsiolkovsky once wrote,
Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.
To those who think it's not worth the time or effort, all I can say is.......enjoy your time in the cradle while the rest of us work to make those dreams a reality, fulfilling the promise of Tsiolkovsky's quote.
 

painkiller64

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I've said it before and I'll say it again.......................Man is, by his very nature, an exploratory creature.

Ever since Prometheus first brought fire to the mortals, man has looked to the heavens and wondered , "What's up there? What's in those heavens?". I'm not a gambling man, but I'd be willing to wager that all of us here have, at one time or another, looked up at the skies at night and wondered what's out there.

As for exploring other planets..........it may not happen in the near future, but one day man will spread his wings out and take flight to other worlds, other planets. Tsiolkovsky once wrote, To those who think it's not worth the time or effort, all I can say is.......enjoy your time in the cradle while the rest of us work to make those dreams a reality, fulfilling the promise of Tsiolkovsky's quote.
you have summed it perfectly. for those aurguments that say we shouldnt and cant well read the above quote.

but to get back to the original question i posed or to put it simply, if you were the one that was at the helm, so to speak, what would you do it and how would you.

use a little imagination everyone and in typewritten words make a colonization jump out of the pages.
 

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Colonizing earth is not the analogy one would hope for colonizing Space. There is almost no place on earth that humans can't life, at least with the use of technology.

Trying to live on Pluto or Saturn is a whole different ball of wax.

You do realize that the sun is just a speck in the sky there, that it's night all the time and temperatures apporach zero?

The question is not so much HOW could we colonize a moon of a gas giant, but WHY?
Would you want to live there? There wouldn't be any difference between a colon on Pluto or Io than in a space station.

This isn't a matter or arithmatic progression. The jump across the oceans was pretty easy, and worked up from small water to big water: a sailboat can do it all.

The jump to being on the moon is a whole different order of magnitude.

And to get out of the solar system to other systems with planets worth inhabiting is ANOTHER quantum leap, again geometrically more challenging. At least.

And the primary explorer of space on this planet, NASA is literally OPPOSED to space stations and colonizations. They don't like the idea of people living in space, they are just interested in scientific information.

There is probably a sort of cusp where the technological ability for space colonization exists but the resources haven't run out yet. That would be the window to do this.

The big question would be: have we already passed it?
 
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Colonizing earth is not the analogy one would hope for colonizing Space. There is almost no place on earth that humans can't life, at least with the use of technology.

Trying to live on Pluto or Saturn is a whole different ball of wax.

You do realize that the sun is just a speck in the sky there, that it's night all the time and temperatures apporach zero?

The question is not so much HOW could we colonize a moon of a gas giant, but WHY?
Would you want to live there? There wouldn't be any difference between a colon on Pluto or Io than in a space station.

This isn't a matter or arithmatic progression. The jump across the oceans was pretty easy, and worked up from small water to big water: a sailboat can do it all.

The jump to being on the moon is a whole different order of magnitude.

And to get out of the solar system to other systems with planets worth inhabiting is ANOTHER quantum leap, again geometrically more challenging. At least.

And the primary explorer of space on this planet, NASA is literally OPPOSED to space stations and colonizations. They don't like the idea of people living in space, they are just interested in scientific information.

There is probably a sort of cusp where the technological ability for space colonization exists but the resources haven't run out yet. That would be the window to do this.

The big question would be: have we already passed it?

I'm going to have to agree with Lin here. Why would we try to sustain life on a moon? Just because we can? Phhhhhhhhh! :rolleyes:

Haha, I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I like teasing everybody and its all in good fun ;)

But the fact is that curiosity killed the cat. We may WANT to, and maybe we CAN (oh jeez, I feel like an Obama worker...), but what if we arent ready to do it and we do? What if its another space race saga that soon causes WWIII? What if we actually do it, and from there try to "space jump" to another planet just to "try" it. ****, I can try to cliff jump, but I'll probably die. Maybe even fly a plane, and then crash. I am very curious about these things, and feel that I have the tools necessary to do them, however there are other things in my life I need to do before them. And if I focus all of my energy on the things I'm curious about before my needs, then nothing will get accomplished.

Yes, its interesting. Yes, its inspiring to have dreams, but our civilization has a long way to go before this happens. Then again...Who am I to say:confused:? (Ugh...mixed feelings here :o)
 

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what are all you earthers afraid of? are you afraid to set foot onto another moon or planet?

why is it that the adventure that would be in it, the challenge of going someplace even if it is into a unknown and hostile environment not agree with you?

without adventure there would be not sustainable life even on our own world.

it is not that we have to go somewhere cause we ruined our own world. it is about going somewhere to be who we are.
 
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what are all you earthers afraid of? are you afraid to set foot onto another moon or planet?

why is it that the adventure that would be in it, the challenge of going someplace even if it is into a unknown and hostile environment not agree with you?

without adventure there would be not sustainable life even on our own world.

it is not that we have to go somewhere cause we ruined our own world. it is about going somewhere to be who we are.

Ever see 2001: A Space Odyssey?

Lolz, I just dont want to end up in a black hole ;)
 

painkiller64

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2001 is one of my favorite movies and the series of novels are the best. speculation turned into a fantasy/reality as all novels are written is what makes the wonderment of exploration a need and desire for those.

i am not saying that everyone should go out there and explore and colonize, we would then have a empty planet here. its just that it will take a special person that is willing to give it all to do this.

there was a movie back in the 70's about a family who went through a black hole at the end of the movie. cant remember the name of it and i wish i could see it again but it even went as far as speculating that a person could survive a black hole.

science right now is saying that all matter will be crushed but do we really know? not till a unmanned craft actually goes into one will we know. and yes as a thought that some might come up with, i would be willing to try, because that is the explorer in me.
 
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I remember reading When Worlds Collide and After Worlds Collide, where colonizing another planet was the only option. Then I thought how bummed I would be to have survived but not to have any pizza available. :eek:
 

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once again those two novels are tops in my reading. they maybe a fantasy clearly with going to another world when not knowing if they can survive there. i hope the remake of when worlds collide next year does a better job with the what ifs and hope so's.

no pizza would be a bummer. speaking of which i know what is for dinner tomorrow night. LOL

i remember reading as a child and again just recently Tom Corbett Space Cadet. i tell you, the novel was good for its time and the not knowing that mars is airless at that time didnt make a difference with children and adults back then. it still spurred my imagination and brought me to this point in life.
 
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Since we are on the subject of black holes, I remember reading A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking. In it was a theory of a type of black hole that if you were to even hover above it, you would age so fast you could possibly die. This hole could also be about as wide as a nickel (that's how dense it is). Wow...if that existed (and probably does :confused:)...just wow.
 

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what are all you earthers afraid of?
Or is it that we aren't afraid to try and save this planet and explore inner space instead of wanting to run away to dream castles in the sky?

Here's another "rain on the parade" question. Has colonialism worked out that well here on earth?

Why does everybody assume the habitable planets are uninhabited?
 

painkiller64

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so lets say that we, in the future, take from an old tv show that concept called the "prime directive" and see it as a pallatable means of co-exisitng in the universe. would that solve the problem of habitable or unihabitable?
 
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