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I just find this too incredible to be true, even though my generation grew up on all kinds of outlandish rumors, some of which turned out to be true, about the military and the CIA during the Cold War. There is just no way this could have been kept secret for so long. These two have overactive imaginations, like JJ, methinks. ;)
 
i agree with ophelia. come on guys. i think the government is going to far in restricting some civil liberties, but this is simply outrageous.
 
hehe.. :P

Anyway, I think it could have happened. There's public records of actual CIA files being released to the country detailing projects similar to this....Project MK-ULTRA, it was called. Then there was a Project Monarch...I'll get an article...
 
Found an article...This is a review of the book:

Whitewashing CIA Mind Control Atrocities
By Uri Dowbenko


Book Review:

Secret Weapons: Two Sisters' Terrifying True Story of Sex, Spies and Sabotage
By Cheryl and Lynn Hersha with Dale Griffis, PhD and Ted Schwarz
(2001, New Horizon Press, 426p. $25.95)

Ever wonder how it takes four people to write a book?

Here's the cast of characters. Cheryl and Lynn Hersha are the mind control victims. Dale Griffis with his mail order diploma is the so-called "expert." And Ted Schwarz is the hack, an apologist for CIA mind control atrocities.

Their book, Secret Weapons, is chockfull of specious reasoning, flawed logic and outright lies. Its intent is simple -- to make CIA mind control programs appear to be "science," rather than the illegal and egregious Soviet/Nazi-like torture program, not to mention an outrageous abuse of human rights.

The book Secret Weapons is well-crafted disinformation. It glosses over human rights abuses and frames them in the context of fighting the Cold War, as in "national security made them do it."

The cover blurb claims that Schwarz is the "best selling author of more than 100 books and over 2,000 articles."

For the record, Schwarz has written a biography of dead Illuminati Grand Dame Doris Duke, world-class scammer-businessman John DeLorean, and Cuban CIA asset "Marita."

He has also written a book called The Hillside Strangler, which tries to debunk the structured multiple personalities of Ken Bianchi, as in "these killers who seem to have MPD/DID are just faking…"

As a propagandist (the CIA actually has a job title called "strategic writer," or writer of disinformation for public consumption), Schwarz muddies the waters of CIA crimes and cover-ups by framing the horrific government abuse of Lynn and Cheryl Hersha in the context of "training" to be a "female James Bond secret agent ."

Schwarz's conceit, in effect, whitewashes the realities of trauma-based conditioning, mind control abuses, and the horrendous sexual and physical abuses endured by the sisters under the guise of becoming so-called "secret weapons" for the US military intelligence.

Rationalizing the continuation of CIA mind control programs into the present, Schwarz writes: "This is not to say that all other researchers had the appropriate war mentality so pleasing to the CIA elite. Many were simply looking out for the financial welfare of their families."(p.63)

In other words, don't judge them too harshly. Maybe Sidney Gottlieb, Jolly West, Allen Dulles, Ewen Cameron and the rest of the CIA criminal elite were just trying to put food on the table.

If he wrote a biography of Nazi mind control monster Josef Mengele, Schwarz would undoubtedly point out what a sensitive and cultured man Mengele was since he played the violin so well.

Schwarz's own words will convict him.

"The scientists who designed the [mind control] project to which Cheryl had been assigned probably would have preferred to work in a less offensive manner," writes Schwarz. "Few wanted to hurt children if there was any alternative. That was why there had been feverish activity on the part of the Central Intelligence Agency's Technical Services Staff (TSS) to develop remote control killers. The idea was to use an implant in the brain that could be stimulated to create behavior. Unwitting adults, unconnected with any of the intelligence agencies could have devices implanted that would stimulate the desired behavior without the person ever knowing what he or she had done." (p. 56)

(As if creating "remote control killers" by implants was less of a crime than traumatizing a child and creating a structured multiple to do the CIA criminals' dirty work.)

Schwarz's book is full of zingers. Here's another one: "In the last few years, a number of individuals have come forward to reveal being locked in cages and used as laboratory rats. According to the thinking of those who conducted and approved the original experiments, the relative handful of people whose stories have a basis in fact were not deliberately mistreated any more than they thought Cheryl was being mistreated. She and the others were involved in pure science. All conditions had to be identical for both the primary research subjects - the primates in this case and the comparison control group of children."

"Pure science"? Locking up children in cages is "pure science"?

Schwarz's twisted arguments are simply beyond belief. He writes that "in order to have human lab rats for the experiments who were children and thus minors, a form was developed called proxy consent. It was created at a time when Americans were sure that parents knew and should decide what was best for their children."(p.89)

Schwarz's serpentine logic is impeccable.

"The young are often self-centered, their knowledge limited to little more than home, school, the neighborhood and any religious institution to which their families belong, he continues. "They cannot understand that there are times when it is necessary to think of the greater good of others [Huh?] They cannot understand the important role a child can play in preserving the future of democracy and the western world as we know it. [Like being a programmed assassin?] Only a parent can understand all that, especially a parent who has served in the military and understands the concepts of honor duty and sacrifice." (p.89)

"Cheryl and Lynn's father Dick was such a parent," Schwarz concludes. "When his children were selected [?] for experimentation, he signed the proxy consent form without hesitation."

Schwarz doesn't reveal if Cheryl and Lynn Hersha's parents themselves were compromised, blackmailed or co-opted, or even under mind control. This so-called proxy consent form would still be null and void, despite the legal dressing of an unconscionable and illegal contract.

Schwarz also has to get some Internet bashing into his book, since the Internet is one of the few uncontrolled venues of information in the world.

"The problem is that some people, undoubtedly having troubled pasts, are seeking attention through the Internet," Schwarz exits whining. "Their troubled reasoning was that just having been molested by their fathers was not enough. They had to have been through something more horrible than that. They had to have been victims of religious cults, government experiments and even pedophiles in the highest offices of the land.(p.323)

This sounds just like the party line of the False Memory Spindrome Foundation, another notorious CIA front.

But Schwarz is a top-notch spin doctor. He even knocks online survivor support groups as much as he disdains the Internet.

Schwarz then puts in a good word for shock "therapy," trying to explain why the sisters can't remember so well.

"This may have come about because such memory lapses are generated by the use of electro-convulsive therapy (ECT) which has also been used with some frequency in legitimate psychiatric treatment for many years. It is a controversial treatment and the correct amount to be given difficult to ascertain." (p. 326)

Obviously frying the Hersha sisters' brains to "help" them forget has worked out just fine.

For an excellent first-hand account of mind control and recovery, read Paperclip Dolls by Annie McKenna, an intelligently written book about survival in the face of absolute evil (集安市杨霞礼环保机械设备经销部).

On the other hand, Secret Weapons is a great example of disinformation and a spurious rationale for the burgeoning US Police State. The book's future is clear. Secret Weapons is a textbook for PsyOps (Psychological Operations) -- how to fool people about mind control and get them to pay for it too. Sounds like a twofer for the Agency.

© 2001 Uri Dowbenko.

Uri Dowbenko is a contributor to Conspiracy Digest (Sustainable), Steamshovel Press (Werkzeugnews24 -) and Conspiracy Planet (http://www.conspiracyplanet.com).

He can be reached at u.dowbenko@lycos.com
 
well I think it should be considered a possibility...considering our situation. after all, if the gov wants it kept secret, they can and will keep it a secret by all means.

the war on terror doesn't help too much to make it seem unlikely either. *sighs* but even if it were blown open in the public, how many people would care? how many people would be persuaded by the fact that its 'for the good of the nation and turn their heads? for the most part, we, as humans, won't really care unless it affects us directly (ok there are some people that really really care about others and may pour their hearts out to someone they don't even know...but not that many...) after all, look at the response to the abuses in iraq. its on the news for a couple of days and then its gone again. the gov does something ot make sure torture is illegal and then the issue is forgotten, only cited every now and then, usually to prove a point. the nation sees that the people involved are punished and the nation is happy. but little is ever said about what happens to the prisoners after what they experienced. they're prisoners after all. its doubtful they'll be receiving compensation of any sort. of course, if such a thing were to really happen to children, or any us citizen/resident for that matter, they'd probably recevie compensation of some sort to keep quiet (or to dismiss the issue). Would the public, however, react similar? With graudally declining interest?

that was a lot of rambling...perhaps im wrong in some parts. its late and i just don't have time to check all my statements lol. feel free to prove me wrong! :P
 
Read an article recently about Graner who got jailed for ten years for the prisoner abuses. Another recent headline proclaimed that he was guilty before he even had a trial. I believe his arguement was that he was following orders. Was he guilty before his trial?
 
here's the problem
how do we prove any of this?
the cia is usually so airtight
in terms of controlling its
secret projects,
how do we independently corroborate
any allegations?
do you know what the cia does?
they discredit anyone who reveals
anything they think
is unflattering
or outside the public domain

move back
to the angelton days at cia
he was a paranoid psycho
he was obssessed about the presence
of a mole
he believed any high-level defector
was a double agent
sheer madness
but part of the cia history

operation phoenix
assassination and torture of
real or suspectec vc
or opponents in viet nam
there is a 1000-1 chance that someone reading this thread
knows the truth about programming or
manipulating children for intelligence purposes
any deep throats out there???
 
but what about when there is credible evidence? like the photos from the prison abuse scandal? what then?

there are still loopholes mentioned that allow certain procedures to be carried out by US officials. it seems unlikely that anything like this could ever truly end.
 
omg this is creeping me out :eek:
as much as I hate this to be true, I can only say, I won't doubt it if it really turns out to be true.......

gosh.........is the end of the world coming soon? things don't seem that plain and simple anymore.........
 
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