Two For The Road

[GarnerForEmmy]

For discussion of tonight's new episode of Lost.

 

[47sydbluewingz87]

If anyone else watches both Lost and Alias, then you probably know what I'm feeling right now. Two shows, four deaths... *hyperventilates*

 

[Alias=Life]

I know! I love Anna, and she was one of my favorite characters! I would have been okay with her death if it had been done in a good way, instead of frickin' getting shot by Michael! Agh! And Libby, too! The first thing out of my mouth was "Well, you can tell the people who wrote "30 Seconds" wrote this episode, too, and they were probably men!" :lol:

 

[jmrocket23]

Two For The Road is an awesome episode!! 3.5 of 4 stars

I think I lost my memory after Libby and Ana-Lucia got shot :lol:, so I'm just going to comment on the last 15 seconds or so.

WOW!!

ONE BIG QUESTION:
Did the writers kill off Cynthia Watros' (Libby) and Michelle Rodriguez' (Ana-Lucia) characters because of their DUI arrests? I can't think of any other reason why it would be those two who had to die, or why anyone had to die for that matter. WHY? This better get explained soon, or I'm gonna go insane!! (Good thing the next episode isn't more than a week away.)

Anyway, the time before the next episode (?) might just keep me up at night :lol:. I'm extremely excited and nervous at the same time!!

 

[Dark Phoenix]

One question: does Jack know that Ana Lucia know his father?

And Jack does he have a sister?

 

[Tuulia]

What an awesome episode!

I hate Ana-Lucia so I'm happy to see her dead but too bad Michael shot Libby. I feel so bad for Hurley and I wonder if we'll ever find out why Libby was in the hospital.

Did Michael shot Ana-Lucia ( and Libby but that seemed to be an accident) to get people hate the Others even more so that he could easily talk them into attacking the Others or was he brainwashed by the them when he was away? I can't wait to see the next episode.

Jack doesn't know that Ana-Lucia knows his father. That was a nice connection. Looks like Jack has a half-sister..

 

[GarnerForEmmy]

All you can really say is "Wow" about the last minute of this episode. It was a great hour. I had been wondering for some time if Michael was going to be coerced into anything by the Others. I guess we have our answer. My guess is that his mission was free "Henry" and to make it look/sound like the Others are a bunch of weaklings just waiting to be picked off. That was his job to do, or he would never see Walt again. That's my guess. A couple of things don't add up in his story though, and Kate/Jack should have been shouting B.S. at the top of their lungs, but they didn't. Kate knows they're in disguise from what she found in the medical hatch, she even told Jack that, didn't she? So why would they just believe they were a bunch of dirty, grimey tree-huggers. And Jack should have known they have more than two guns because they took about four from them when they confronted Jack, Sawyer and Locke in the jungle. Plus the rifle Michael left camp with, he didn't return with. Let's just say I cannot wait until Michael's episode coming up soon.

Now about Christian Shepherd. He gets more interesting to me all the time. He has connections, albeit random, to a lot of the 815ers. And after last night, I think the writers are leading us to believe that he is possibly Claire's father.

And Locke doesn't tell the truth again, and someone, this time two people, die. That's not a good way to get Jack and your other hatchmates to trust you.

 

[White_Rabbit]

though shockingly sad, the ending was perfectly done. the absense of any sound other than michael really gave it that creepy, other-world feeling (and lost itself is other-worldly to begin with).

my reaction when it happened:

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OHMYGOD!!!!!!!

they said the finale is going to blow S1's out of the water, all I'm thinking is--how can they top THIS??

btw, michelle rodriguez was just on good morning america and said that her death was planned from the very beginning, she knew about it when she first signed on but wasn't allowed to tell anyone even her fellow cast members. it had NOTHING to do with her "off-camera troubles".

 

[SkyGirl5]

If anyone else watches both Lost and Alias, then you probably know what I'm feeling right now. Two shows, four deaths... *hyperventilates*

thats what i said - bloodbath on ABC tonight

ONE BIG QUESTION:
Did the writers kill off Cynthia Watros' (Libby) and Michelle Rodriguez' (Ana-Lucia) characters because of their DUI arrests?

nice call! i totally didnt even get that! looks very very suspicious no? onder:

seriously - what in the HELL happened?! michael went PSYCHO
okay its obvious now hes one of the 'others' but he's pretending not to be and he's gonna lead jack, sawyer, kate, etc etc into war with the others but ther'es going to be 8 million of them and only 4 castaways and well... it aint gonna be good
i feel sooooooooooo bad for hurley now tho he loves libby and now she's dead
anna & sawyer - ew

and wtf is up with the extreme six degrees of separation - anna met jack's dad in the airport then tagged along with him to aus. then they both ran into sawyer on the street and then she was in line behind jack and jin @ the airport - well, the airport rendesvous are a bit more believabel but =SOOOOOOOO WIERD! interesting, yet wierd

 

[47sydbluewingz87]

I know! I love Anna, and she was one of my favorite characters! I would have been okay with her death if it had been done in a good way, instead of frickin' getting shot by Michael! Agh! And Libby, too! The first thing out of my mouth was "Well, you can tell the people who wrote "30 Seconds" wrote this episode, too, and they were probably men!" :lol:

:lol: That makes a lot of sense, though. I think they want to kill the people who are fans of both shows by taking away all these characters in one quick motion. Torture us in one night instead of dragging it out over a couple of weeks.

Now about Christian Shepherd. He gets more interesting to me all the time. He has connections, albeit random, to a lot of the 815ers. And after last night, I think the writers are leading us to believe that he is possibly Claire's father.

Wow, that's actually interesting. Bizarre, but interesting.

As for Michael's reasons for shooting Ana-Lucia, I was thinking that maybe he saw her cooperating with the Others and that brought him to his decision to kill her? I mean, maybe I misheard, but I thought one of the promos I saw said something about a traitor among the survivors? And what's with Henry's mission to bring Locke to the Others? :blink:

 

[verdantheart]

Well . . . did I not tell them not to trust Michael? -_- :lol:

Did the writers kill off Cynthia Watros' (Libby) and Michelle Rodriguez' (Ana-Lucia) characters because of their DUI arrests? I can't think of any other reason why it would be those two who had to die, or why anyone had to die for that matter. WHY? This better get explained soon, or I'm gonna go insane!! (Good thing the next episode isn't more than a week away.)

See this article for the explanation. It was apparently an unfortuante coincidence.

I had been wondering for some time if Michael was going to be coerced into anything by the Others. I guess we have our answer. My guess is that his mission was free "Henry" and to make it look/sound like the Others are a bunch of weaklings just waiting to be picked off. That was his job to do, or he would never see Walt again. That's my guess.

Is he being "coerced," or has he been "converted"? He looked a bit shocked by what he was doing, but I didn't see a lot of hesitation or pain there. It will be interesting to see how "in-line" he is, but he looks like he's with the game plan to me (as opposed to fighting it).

A couple of things don't add up in his story though, and Kate/Jack should have been shouting B.S. at the top of their lungs, but they didn't. Kate knows they're in disguise from what she found in the medical hatch, she even told Jack that, didn't she? So why would they just believe they were a bunch of dirty, grimey tree-huggers. And Jack should have known they have more than two guns because they took about four from them when they confronted Jack, Sawyer and Locke in the jungle. Plus the rifle Michael left camp with, he didn't return with. Let's just say I cannot wait until Michael's episode coming up soon.

Isn't that interesting? Obviously they're taking Michael at his word because they do go for the guns instead of comparing notes after their little conversation with him. I think this is an example of people being rolled over by emotion and what they'd like to believe (we can take them) rather than verifiable facts. Jack would like to be able to take them on, so when Michael gives him that intelligence he jumps on it rather than thinking "does this match what I know from other sources?" He considers Michael a reliable source and that is a mistake. As his mother might say, "You don't know where that's been!"

ETA: Oops, I was going to go on to remark that for a "man of science" kind of guy, Jack seems to run on emotion quite a bit. He's really motivated by the need-to-protect/save factor and there's this real punish/justice thing going on now. It really seems to be keeping him from thinking straight. Or is it the Dharma flakes? :lol: (I can't help wondering if that's why unHenry's on his hunger strike and they're out there eating dried fish--if that's what they're eating, of course. )

Now about Christian Shepherd. He gets more interesting to me all the time. He has connections, albeit random, to a lot of the 815ers. And after last night, I think the writers are leading us to believe that he is possibly Claire's father.

Yeah, funny, isn't it ... and now Ana Lucia had a brief encounter before . . . her brief encounter! ^_^

As for Michael's reasons for shooting Ana-Lucia, I was thinking that maybe he saw her cooperating with the Others and that brought him to his decision to kill her? I mean, maybe I misheard, but I thought one of the promos I saw said something about a traitor among the survivors? And what's with Henry's mission to bring Locke to the Others? :blink:

Really? Strange, I totally don't trust Michael now and I don't see any reason for believing that Ana Lucia, raging other-hater, would be cooperating with them . . . although, I grant you, pretending to rabidly hate them would be the perfect cover! But with the flashbacks, Goodwin, & everything else, I just don't see how she could be an Other or a crony. Someone else, sure, but Ana Lucia? Anyway, so why would Michael be chatting with good ol' unHenry and shooting himself as if to set up a plausible escape scenario?

As for unHenry's mission, I wouldn't bet that it's exactly as he represented it to Locke. It might have to do with Locke in some way, but if unHenry consider's Locke "good" and wants to bring him home, then his idea of "good" and mine differ in some serious respects. Remember what Locke did to Charlie? That was seriously messed up. Of course, that had nothin' on the games that unHenry plays on a continuous basis. Look at the warp he's put on Locke's mind since he's been here! I think his mission might have to do with Locke, but it might have more to do with manipulating Locke. He certainly isn't playing it straight with him. BTW, I just want to say, Emerson is incredible. When it looked like he might be bumped off, I couldn't help thinking, "You know, it would be a pity to lose such a wonderfully creepy villain!!!" I'm gonna miss the poisonous little rodent (now that he's probably going to escape into the underbrush for a while)!

Couple of other things . . .

Didn't Libby break and reminisce a little about the mental hospital with Hurley? He didn't even seem to notice.

Loved the Hanso Foundation plug . . . I'm going to get paranoid if they keep this up! :lol:

Another splendor-in-the-grass moment is followed up by a quick drop. If I were Kate, I'd consider putting a lock on my chastity belt. :lol: Is it a good thing that Eko's building a church? Because it's not looking so good for unmarried gals who "get some" . . . :blink:

 

[freakforalias]

I'm sure everybody will have questions about Michael on the island... but could it be that he'll do ANYTHING just to get his son back? Shoot Ana-Lucia, Libby, and then himself -- to make it look like Henry did it -- just so Michael could set him free in order to get his son back?... Maybe that's why Michael was so desperate to get back to camp -- set Henry free... and the perfect opportunity arose...

I know -- that's my delusional line of thinking.... Hey, I'm still in shock from Alias... :lol:

 

[pii_lena4ever]

oh. my. god. 3 deaths in one episode!!! no, not only in one episode, but in 1 minute!? oh dear god. i was so freaked out for the last minute. i agree with ethan, the absense of sound was really perfect for that moment. it made it feel even more real, and you really couldn't know what he'd do next! i felt like i was in shock/freaked out and my mind raced screaming WHAT ARE YOU DONIG MICHAEL!?!?! it looked like an accident when he shot libby though. ah oh, when he turned towards the door i was hopping between 2 options, a)he has gone completely mad and will now kill everyone and eventually himself, and b)he knew it all the time, that he'd kill them and now he's going to free henry and he's doing it to get walt back. now that the ep and the panic shock situation is over, i'll definitely have to go for option b. ^_^ and yeah, it's clearly just a fake, making the others seem like they aren't a threat. but do you think they'll buy it? will they believe that henry did all that? and how, being locked up? unless they'll think he somehow managed to take the gun. but then again he was all tied up when they left him...hmm.

i didn't want libby to die, i liked her!! ana lucia wasn't that big a loss, but still it was more fun to have her on the show than not to have her there. plus i was loving the ana lucia/sawyer action, even though it turns out ana was just using him... even better. maybe. i loved getting to see a softer side of ana lucia. and hurley was so sweet with his failed surprise..and now his libby is dead. what if jack manages to save one of them? who knows?

you guys are talking about rodriguez having caused some sort of trouble off-camera. what happened?

no jack/kate action this time. though i laughed so hard when sawyer said something about jack and kate playing in the jungle and i thought "YEAH BABY!!".

but as a sum-up, exciting + bloodbath are the right words for this episode.

 

[GarnerForEmmy]

you guys are talking about rodriguez having caused some sort of trouble off-camera. what happened?

Michelle Rodriguez, and coincedentally Cynthia Watros, were both arrested in Hawaii for DUI apparently just minutes apart a couple of months ago.

I'm not yet convinced Libby is dead or is going to die. She was conveniently shot in the picnic blanket (not that it was going to stop the bullets, mind you ), but it may have been enough to stop the wounds from being mortal. Although she has apparently been cast in a pilot for a prospective show this fall with Tom Cavanaugh (sp?), so we'll see.

 

[jmrocket23]

oh. my. god. 3 deaths in one episode!!! no, not only in one episode, but in 1 minute!? oh dear god. i was so freaked out for the last minute.

Actually, only two characters died in the episode. As was shown in next week's promo, Michael's arm is in a sling because he obviously shot himself in the arm or shoulder, which means he didn't kill himself. As for Ana-Lucia and Libby, they're pretty much at the point of no return. (I could be wrong, though)

Can't wait for the final episodes of the season!!

 

[pii_lena4ever]

I'm not yet convinced Libby is dead or is going to die. She was conveniently shot in the picnic blanket (not that it was going to stop the bullets, mind you ), but it may have been enough to stop the wounds from being mortal. Although she has apparently been cast in a pilot for a prospective show this fall with Tom Cavanaugh (sp?), so we'll see.

yeah i thought about that too, that maybe she didn't die! that would be great. actually i wanted them both to live. and oh yeah, now that i watched it a second time i saw that michael didn't shoot himself to death. haven't seen the promo, can someone link it? it would be very nice. oh i can't wait till wednesday!!

 

[verdantheart]

Libby might be back for flashback duty, but I don't think either she or Ana Lucia will be up and and about in the future. There is still a mystery swirling around Libby . . . Why is she here? What is the deal with her and Hurley? Is there a Dharma/Hanso connection to their mutual hospital stay (there was that suspicious island poster)? Is she a real patient/fake psychologist or real psychologist/fake patient . . . or real both? (fake both? )

At any rate, I'm loving it. ^_^ . . . at least, when a show establishes a pattern of real deaths, I might be sad, but I don't roll my eyes and wonder whether they mean it this time.

 

[Alias_Gay]

the episode ended with a bang ... with two unexpected deaths and one traitor ... because thats what Michael is now ... a traitor ... I can't help but feel that he has been convinced by the others that he needed to get unHenry out in order for him to get Walt back ... I guess once the guys find out that he was the one who really killed Ana Lucia and Libby ... Michael will meet his match and get killed somehow ...

From all the flashbacks that we have seen so far ... I am thinking more and more that season 3 will be a whole different thing than before ... I mean ... in Ana Lucia's flashback, we see her telling her mom she is on Oceanic Flight 815 ... so, shouldn't she be looking for her since the plane never arrived??? we know Sun's father would be looking around for her ... despite what was happening in her family ... I am pretty sure Jack's mother is looking for him since he was suppose to be bringing dad's body back to the US ... could there be a switch on how they are gonna be telling the stories next season???

anyway ... this week's eppy looks great ... can't wait to see it ...

 

[verdantheart]

Of course there would be people looking for Oceanic 815, but as they said, they should be looking in the wrong place. So far, we haven't heard anything about the searchers. I'm not sure that's going to change.

I anticipate hearing something from some of the "background" survivors, though (I don't think that it's too much of a spoiler to say that the creators L&C have spilt that much). I wonder if we'll meet Scott/Steve? :lol: But there is plenty of little nooks and crannies that they haven't explored yet. I keep expecting to see the thread of the medium (the Claire connection) picked up again--how did he know about Oceanic 815 and the island? Did he do a reading for another passenger and foresee a possibility for Claire? Did he read Charlie's future? Inquiring minds want to know.

I do expect the structure to change a bit in the sense of what they are doing ... I'm guessing less focus on the hatch and more somewhere else, perhaps some new story. Lost is interesting in that it seems to open up the possibility for overlapping stories which have beginnings and conclusions within the larger frame of the series. That is an interesting concept.