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ALIAS_RULES
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Ok well first of all, your country is like 25 times the size of ours. I can argue at a number of things wrong with American style health care. I'm not saying the Canadian system is perfect, but it adequately is able to protect everyone.
It also shows in the stats, Dr. Barbara Starfield, a university proffessor at John Hopkins Med Institute was interviewed and she said:
"By all measures, Canadians' health is better. Canadians do better on a whole variety of health outcomes,including life expectancy at various ages -- 1, 15, 20, 45, 65, 80, you name it."
America spends waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more money on health care, and you guys are not any healthier. I'm open to the idea of semi-privatization, and while I realize that this creates a two-tier system, and may increase cost, I think governments should put a cap on how much the clinics can charge, and that would solve that problem.
Maternal mortality, Canada destroys the US in that rate:
Maternal mortality shows a substantial gap as well. According to data published last year by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, an international think-tank, there were 3.4 maternal deaths for every 100,000 births among Canadians compared to a 9.8 among all Americans.
As well as Infant mortality:
Infant-mortality rates also show striking differences between the United States and Canada, according to Dr. Clyde Hertzman, associate director of the Centre for Health Services and Policy Research at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver. To counter the argument that racial differences play a major role, Hertzman compared infant mortality for all Canadians with that for white Americans between 1970 and 1998. The white US infant mortality rate was roughly six deaths per 1,000 babies, compared to slightly more than five for Canadians.
What about people with mental illnesses?
According to the May-June 2003 issue of Health Affairs: "More than half of Canadians with severe mental disorders received treatment, compared to little more than a third of Americans."
In Canada, if we are going through a medical illness, we don't have that added stress of, OMG! When is my insurance money running out?, or OMG! Does the insurance cover this?, or OMG! How much will this treatement cost me?. Everyone gets the equal treatement they deserve.
And I think that our governement could definately give more funding to health care, but we had a conservative government in my province for many years that shortfunded everything, and privatized a ton of things, therefore increasing the cost of living substantially.
Also, many Americans find themselves in positions where they cannot afford treatement plans. They're much too expensive.
Imagine that the US didn't start a useless war on Iraq. That $500 billion dollars that they spent could have gone to health care.
$500 000 000 000
^
Instead that money went to over 22 000 deaths, and brought you into an ENORMOUS deficit.
Also, if you're worried about cost, Canadians pay about half of what Americans pay for health care:
$2,163 versus $5,198
And since BUsh has taken office, it's become a lot more expensive. You spend 15% of your GDP on health care.
We (Canadians) don't have to worry that being layed off will cause us to lose our health care coverage. And US health care costs skyrocketed after you guys privatized which is why Canadians are so against it.
It also shows in the stats, Dr. Barbara Starfield, a university proffessor at John Hopkins Med Institute was interviewed and she said:
"By all measures, Canadians' health is better. Canadians do better on a whole variety of health outcomes,including life expectancy at various ages -- 1, 15, 20, 45, 65, 80, you name it."
America spends waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more money on health care, and you guys are not any healthier. I'm open to the idea of semi-privatization, and while I realize that this creates a two-tier system, and may increase cost, I think governments should put a cap on how much the clinics can charge, and that would solve that problem.
Maternal mortality, Canada destroys the US in that rate:
Maternal mortality shows a substantial gap as well. According to data published last year by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, an international think-tank, there were 3.4 maternal deaths for every 100,000 births among Canadians compared to a 9.8 among all Americans.
As well as Infant mortality:
Infant-mortality rates also show striking differences between the United States and Canada, according to Dr. Clyde Hertzman, associate director of the Centre for Health Services and Policy Research at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver. To counter the argument that racial differences play a major role, Hertzman compared infant mortality for all Canadians with that for white Americans between 1970 and 1998. The white US infant mortality rate was roughly six deaths per 1,000 babies, compared to slightly more than five for Canadians.
What about people with mental illnesses?
According to the May-June 2003 issue of Health Affairs: "More than half of Canadians with severe mental disorders received treatment, compared to little more than a third of Americans."
In Canada, if we are going through a medical illness, we don't have that added stress of, OMG! When is my insurance money running out?, or OMG! Does the insurance cover this?, or OMG! How much will this treatement cost me?. Everyone gets the equal treatement they deserve.
And I think that our governement could definately give more funding to health care, but we had a conservative government in my province for many years that shortfunded everything, and privatized a ton of things, therefore increasing the cost of living substantially.
Also, many Americans find themselves in positions where they cannot afford treatement plans. They're much too expensive.
Imagine that the US didn't start a useless war on Iraq. That $500 billion dollars that they spent could have gone to health care.
$500 000 000 000
^
Instead that money went to over 22 000 deaths, and brought you into an ENORMOUS deficit.
Also, if you're worried about cost, Canadians pay about half of what Americans pay for health care:
$2,163 versus $5,198
And since BUsh has taken office, it's become a lot more expensive. You spend 15% of your GDP on health care.
We (Canadians) don't have to worry that being layed off will cause us to lose our health care coverage. And US health care costs skyrocketed after you guys privatized which is why Canadians are so against it.
AliasHombre
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get you rnumbers straight. $500 billion my white ass on the war.
and the graph was on a per person basis. So ha!
considering we spend about 3% of gdp on military i dont think its 15% on health care.
and the graph was on a per person basis. So ha!
considering we spend about 3% of gdp on military i dont think its 15% on health care.
freakforalias
Dream on you perverted freak
ALIAS_RULES said:
Actually according to recent numbers, the average cost of health care spent in the U.S. by working age adults (19-64) is $3,352.00.
ALIAS_RULES
Cadet
Can I see a report please?freakforalias said:Actually according to recent numbers, the average cost of health care spent in the U.S. by working age adults (19-64) is $3,352.00.
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The whole war on terror has been almost $500 billion. The War on Iraq alone has been:
$138,914,419,175
^
All that could have gone to medicare.
the_alliance
Cadet
i totally agree! that's one reason why i don't like republicans. i think that this socialist (tho socialism isnt always good) ideal of ours is good. i totally agree with universal health care.
freakforalias
Dream on you perverted freak
ALIAS_RULES said:
Kewii actually explained this on the previous page.... she said that my number of $3,352 turned into candadian money is your number of $5,198.... she also said that you really can't have a comparison if one shows american figures and the other shows canadian.
ms.katejones
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I don't think running health care the capitalist way makes any sense. I mean, this is not a question of supply and demand. EVERYONE needs health care, so EVERYONE should get it. Medicare and Medicaid can only do so much with their strict rules and limited funding. The U.S. should definitely develop a univeral health care system and if that makes us socialist then so be it.
ALIAS_RULES
Cadet
Exactly! It's not fair that it's a business, and some people are unable to get it. It's just wrong!
M
Marlene
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wrong as it may be...the country just doesn't have funding for it.
doesn't this whole universal health care plan then basically rule out competition...and may lead to the diminishment of the standards we have
things like medicaid/medicare are a miniscule part of the budget if you look at it relatively...but honestly there are many flaws to it. Like they can't work out prices with companies...ect...so they pay the regular price for drugs...and get jipped. Basically why drugs in Canada are cheaper.
Basically if you do increase medicare funding it just basically benefits the impoverished...and inevitably screws off the middle class. if i am not mistaken someone proposed to raise the poverty level to like 300%...and that won't work either.
privatizing government organizations may lead to more spoils...
doesn't this whole universal health care plan then basically rule out competition...and may lead to the diminishment of the standards we have
things like medicaid/medicare are a miniscule part of the budget if you look at it relatively...but honestly there are many flaws to it. Like they can't work out prices with companies...ect...so they pay the regular price for drugs...and get jipped. Basically why drugs in Canada are cheaper.
Basically if you do increase medicare funding it just basically benefits the impoverished...and inevitably screws off the middle class. if i am not mistaken someone proposed to raise the poverty level to like 300%...and that won't work either.
privatizing government organizations may lead to more spoils...
ALIAS_RULES
Cadet
You do have the money, but for some reason you guys just don't fund it. It's like one big business, I think it would be a good idea to have at least semi-private health care in the states. That way, at least people who cannot afford the insurance can get health care.
Remember, the war on terror has cost about $400 billion. Iraq alone is over $100 billion. So, the money is there, it's just a question of where to use it.
Remember, the war on terror has cost about $400 billion. Iraq alone is over $100 billion. So, the money is there, it's just a question of where to use it.
Despite all the howling by the right about "socialized medicine," a universal health care plan is good for business. GM says that it costs $1,700 less to produce a car in Canada than it does here because of the cost of providing health insurance to current employees and retirees, and that cost also adds $1,400 to the sticker price of a new car. Check out this article from a terrific little weekly newspaper in my area:
Outraged Over Health Insurance
Outraged Over Health Insurance
My uncle got his MBA in the UK.
He said health care there is so much better than the U.S. He actually had an accident over there and he apparently wasn't paying for health insurance, yet he had nothing to worry about.
It's ridiculous how the Bush administration is trying to fool people with those new commercials where they put up this really complicated chart, telling people how their doctors don't make the final decisions. It's pathetic actually.
Another one of his lies.
He really has the 101 on the WMD... weapons of mass deception.
He said health care there is so much better than the U.S. He actually had an accident over there and he apparently wasn't paying for health insurance, yet he had nothing to worry about.
It's ridiculous how the Bush administration is trying to fool people with those new commercials where they put up this really complicated chart, telling people how their doctors don't make the final decisions. It's pathetic actually.
Another one of his lies.
He really has the 101 on the WMD... weapons of mass deception.
I know nothing about healthcare in the US. But as an Australian living in the UK, I too had no health insurance, and I too had an accident. I was in hospital and everything was free and I had nothing to worry about. Not only that, but all of my medical appointments for months to come were free. This included things like physiotherapy (what I think you guys call physical therapy).
All regular doctor's appointments are free in the UK. As is the majority of medicine (including all prescriptive medicines I had in all the years I was there).
ms.katejones
Cadet
Natalia said:
Gosh, I wish the US would look at other countries and see that the system works.
