sark lover club

[Sweet Blazin']

My post wasnt' aimmed at yours, SB. I'm just getting tired of seeing a ton of people compare Sark's actions to Sydney's as if he were a double agent. He's not. He'd have to be a different kind of agent, thus he is following different order and having to behave differently. Everyone seems to think he should be slinking around like Sydney and meeting his handler in a basement. That's not how it works for him (though I wouldn't mind meeting him in the basement).

Oh, silly me. Although I don't mind, I really like a good debate and you have good points. I want to see Sark in MY basement. Ooooh now I kind of get what you meant about them being incomparable. Yeah I've always said he does the things he does because of his work. I agree that some people don't seem to understand that when comparing their 'number of killings'. laymusic:

 

[dark nemesis]

I always think of Sark as having less to loose than Sydney, but that's in general. I mean, if he joined Irina's organization for himself or for cover, then he has no other life, no other ties. I always think of Sark as someone with nothing to lose, and no one to mourn for him, and no one's expectations to live up to except his own, and for now his own put him where he is and with whomever he's working for (if he's truly working fo anyone)

I mean, so let's say he IS deep cover, the requirements and things to give up to become that, what is going to keep him from actually wanting to be apart of what he's pretending to BE a part of?

There is nothing more dangerous than a man who has nothing left to lose. If it is the case where Sark has nothing but his own life, I think he would fight to the bitter end to keep that. Yet, he doesn't. He seems downright reckless with it at times, which makes me think he has something else. Something he's considering worth quite a bit.

 

[prlrocks]

Yeah I have more trouble folowing subjects at this board as well but I think that has to do with that pace of the board being different here. The other one is accuacully faster but I am use to having a million new posts by the time I finish my response so I can go back and than reply to them all in one post. Here that does not seem to be happening.

 

[Aliasscape]

And continuing my 'nothing to lose' idea, hmm, sounds like an idea for a fanfic, already go the title, I would compare that idea of Sark to Sydney in the pilot, when she wasn't on a mission aided by SD-6 and hadn't gone to the CIA yet. She seemed fairly cool about that torture session and at that time, she felt she had 'nothing to lose' and no one in particular to be working for.

Other topic: Even with what Sydney did to Sloane, she only did it when Vaughn was in imminent danger of death without her help. I don't think it makes her evil. But what is the definition of evil?

Ooo, another good fanfic title "The Definition of Evil"

*thinking or maybe I'm finally thinking up the chapter titles for my fic*

 

[Sweet Blazin']

I'd miss him as a villain.

Yeah me too. That's the reason I want to see him be 'good' in the last or 2nd last season of the show. It would be a great for the show, very dramatic and surprising. Also we'd get to see some Sark/Syd happen hopefully! Yay! :kissme:

 

[dark nemesis]

Exactly. I keep hearing "Sark can't be good because he's killed more people than Sydney" or "Sydney only kills in self defense". Maybe Sark doesn't have that luxury. Maybe he's having to strike first to keep his cover. "He has no conscience", well, we don' t know. He might. He's not an open book that's going to break down and cry at the drop of a hat. It might be personal to him. Some thing he only lets himself think about when he's a home, alone, and can nurse his wounds by himself. Sarcasm can hide a lot of pain. Maybe he defends himself the only way he can. Maybe that's why Sydney's remarks hurt so much. Because he knows what he's doing, but he still has to do it.

 

[prlrocks]

That is a good example but Sark has never acted like Syd in the first ep. He is far more controled than she even has been.

That reminds my I will have to come up with a title I suck at things like that. I will have to depend on you guys to help come up with one.

DN- Have you worked on your fic lately?

 

[Sweet Blazin']

Yeah I have more trouble folowing subjects at this board as well but I think that has to do with that pace of the board being different here. The other one is accuacully faster but I am use to having a million new posts by the time I finish my response so I can go back and than reply to them all in one post. Here that does not seem to be happening.

Yeah I've also noticed it's much faster at SD-1. I don't know why but I find that to be the least confusing site. I seem to manuver through it easily and that's why I like it. I think maybe it's better organized that way. Although my computer is being very slow today for some reason. :stupidcomputer:

 

[zara]

It's raining! So I'm slightly distracted.

I think the blue actually makes it seem less calm for me. There's just something about it that makes me want to hurry up and type and I feel like I never finish things. It makes me want to sleep though.

Syd in the first ep was different, in that she was still really upset about Danny, I think. Sark is less likely to have someone close to him that has recently died, if he's been working so long.

 

[Aliasscape]

Alright, now even I'm getting confused *l*with talking to two people.

I thought we'd just mentioned that Sark had been reckless and wouldn't be reckless with his own life if that is all he had. But I disagree with that, being reckless is something people do when there is nothing and no one else to care or worry about. People don't live just for themselves. Somehow life doesn't seem good enough to do that. People live because of what they'd leave behind, what they'd miss, who they'd hurt, or sometimes they have a spiritual reason.

 

[dark nemesis]

That is a good example but Sark has never acted like Syd in the first ep. He is far more controled than she even has been.

That reminds my I will have to come up with a title I suck at things like that. I will have to depend on you guys to help come up with one.

DN- Have you worked on your fic lately?

No, I haven't lately. I still have to beta a friends Legolas fic.

Sark's control is another thing that would make him good deep cover. He has to stay in control of the situation no matter what. He's a control freak, we've seen a little of that. He has the icy calmness that Sydney, whether everyone loves her or not, doesn't have. She gets too emotionally involved. Sark wouldn't have the ability to do that. If he gets emotionally involved, he winds up dead.

 

[prlrocks]

I think what everyone is saying that people who have nothing to lose are reckless but the way Sark act is anything but reckless so there must be something holding him back.

And we also said that Sark is in a more dangerous possition than Syd is so he is in more danger of losing things if something goes wrong.

This is only if he really is deep cover of course.

 

[SpySyd]

Hey guy!Just waking up and still no SD-1.... :hi:

 

[dark nemesis]

Alright, now even I'm getting confused *l*with talking to two people.

I thought we'd just mentioned that Sark had been reckless and wouldn't be reckless with his own life if that is all he had. But I disagree with that, being reckless is something people do when there is nothing and no one else to care or worry about. People don't live just for themselves. Somehow life doesn't seem good enough to do that. People live because of what they'd leave behind, what they'd miss, who they'd hurt, or sometimes they have a spiritual reason.

There is a difference between recklessness and brashness. Maybe what I'm trying to point out is that Sark has been reckless, but not to the degree that Sydney was. His was calculated recklessness. He's working to some end, and I think he does have something at stake, whether it be his job or his country. It's a different thing than having family and friends.

 

[Sweet Blazin']

Exactly. I keep hearing "Sark can't be good because he's killed more people than Sydney" or "Sydney only kills in self defense". Maybe Sark doesn't have that luxury. Maybe he's having to strike first to keep his cover. "He has no conscience", well, we don' t know. He might. He's not an open book that's going to break down and cry at the drop of a hat. It might be personal to him. Some thing he only lets himself think about when he's a home, alone, and can nurse his wounds by himself. Sarcasm can hide a lot of pain. Maybe he defends himself the only way he can. Maybe that's why Sydney's remarks hurt so much. Because he knows what he's doing, but he still has to do it.

See this is what I meant when I said you have good points. Omg, I totally agree with everything you said. Especially the last part about Syd's remarks hurting Sark. Awww poor guy. DN, you should really think about converting those Vaughn lovers, you'd do a good job of it! :lol:

 

[Aliasscape]

*thinking I like debating things cause I came here to get distracted from a rather stressful day* Though, let me know if I get too serious.

I asked you guys about your names, but here's my explanation for mine, first I used to like Farscape on the scifi channel and Sliders, so I had a handle on the scifi boards of Slidescape to merge the two. But eventually, I just liked the ending -scape.

But honestly now, with my Aliasscape name, I would say ithe scape comes from escape. Alias the show is great escapism television (came out at exactly the time we needed that here in the US), and then Alias is my escape from whatever happens to be stressing me out, cause it engulfs me and makes me forget about all my worries while I'm focused on it. (Of course I know too much escapism can be bad, thus the reason I'm only here from midnight to 3am *l*)

 

[Sweet Blazin']

Yeah Alias makes me happy as well. I mainly like the show because it is so complicated it really makes you think. I like thinking shows.

 

[zara]

I loved Sliders.

I love how Alias can be as complex as you want it to. You can take everything that a character says at face value, or you can think about it and spend hours making up theories and guessing what is going to happen next. If you just want to watch evil guys get their butts kicked then it's wonderful, if you want to see a family drama type thing then it's there, there's some humour and then of course the shippiness.

 

[SpySyd]

I like the show coz it's a great breath of fresh air.
You never know what's going to happen.This the very 1st show in which I see that.

 

[dark nemesis]

Omg, I totally agree with everything you said. Especially the last part about Syd's remarks hurting Sark.

I just happen to think that Sydney might be the first person that Sark has seen that can remotely relate to what he's going through if he's deep cover. That would be why he wanted her friendship or approval or whatever it is he seems to want. He just doesn't want to be so alone, and in his own way is trying to win Sydney over with out having to blow his cover. The "good luck" comment and the "I wasn't mocking you" comment all seem like attempts on his part to let her know that in some way, he understands what she's going through.

My name came with Sark in mind. On every other board I've always been Savage, but Dark Nemesis came from what I thought Sark was. He's undoubtedly Sydney's nemesis in every way, but we don't really know who he is or what he's in it for, therefore he's a dark character and maybe even a dark horse considering he wasn't supposed to be on the show after last season.