Anti-Bush - Pro-Peace and Kerry Club

ONE DATE: September 11th 2001

he couldn't help that this happened, he didn't cause the budget deficit 9/11 did! Clinton already left a deficite when he left office. So if you add the two together this would equal the greatest deficit by many factors--not by one man.

Would you rather have been cowards and not gone to war after 9/11 happened...after terrorists attacked us on OUR OWN SOIL? At least you know Bush's plan for the war-but did you know Kerry's? He said he had a plan but did he ever really talk about it??

Sorry about this I just get mad when people talk bad about the president. He's the president, he makes the decicsions -good or bad...u'll have to deal with it. If we didn't go to war, half of the U.S would be complaining that we should. It's half and half either way
 
September 11 happened. Okay. Well, Iraq was not involved in that, so why are you bombing them?

You think 9/11 was that big of a deal, imagine 9/11 happening every day... that's what Iraqis are feeling right now.
 
Four more years! I for one am one happy American! I thank God I am American, and I thank God George Bush won the election.

I respect others and their opinions, but I question how much they really know, I mean enough to give an educated opinion.
 
Tricia0817 said:
Four more years!  I for one am one happy American!  I thank God I am American, and I thank God George Bush won the election.

I respect others and their opinions, but I question how much they really know, I mean enough to give an educated opinion.
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I've read countless reports, and I have family living in Iraq. I actually think the other side is ignorant to the truth, and are too stubborn to see that their president is a COMPULSIVE LIAR. He lies... and when he's caught, people continue to believe the BS excuses that he comes up with.

Four more years... i bet in four years the American economy will tank. You'll see...
 
Tricia0817 said:
Four more years!  I for one am one happy American!  I thank God I am American, and I thank God George Bush won the election.

I respect others and their opinions, but I question how much they really know, I mean enough to give an educated opinion.
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damn conservatives <_< I wish I wasn't american -_-
 
Amazing how blessed we are (to be Americans).

What you said, Itz tha Dreila, is a horrible statement in my opinion. Just because someone does not believe in what you believe should not make you want to "not be an American". That is what makes this country so great, that you can have different points of views and beliefs... it is called freedom! So many people want to come to this country everyday! It is truely the land of opportunity. I am not saying you don't have the right to say that, and I will now quote you,
damn conservatives  I wish I wasn't american
, but you might want to think about it....
 
You are very wrong about something. There are so many other "free" countries. It's sad that you conservatives fail to see that. There are countries that are a lot more free than America, I think. Be proud, go singing from the mountain tops how proud you are to be an American, but I'm not. I'm ashamed to be American, and someday I'll be living in a much better place that isn't America. (y)
 
WOW!! That is all I can say about your feelings about being ashamed tp be an American! I am curious, how old are you, and were you born in the US? You don't have to answer, I am simply curious.

And I hope you make a wonderful life in whatever country you choose.... be it the USA, Australia, the UK or where ever you choose! That is what is so great about the USA, you are free to leave too!


That said, I am am so blessed have been born in this country and to live here! I have been abroad to Europe, Asia & Africa, and though their respective countries are beautiful, and I admire them, I love my country the most! I am so proud to be an American!

ETA, I will no longer post in this thread because it is the "anti-Bush, Kerry Club" thread, and I am very pro-Bush and would not be in a "Kerry Club". I did not mean to upset anyone, and I respect all of your opinions, but I get a little hurt when people start bashing the USA/being an American. (I had to say something, but I won't anymore.) Everyone is free to feel the way they feel.... Take care! Peace!
 
I'm 17, and yes I was born in the US.

And yea I for sure will. In Holland.

It's okay that you are proud to be an American, but I'm not, and I just don't like conservatives very much.

But yes, your opinion should be discussed elsewhere.
 
You are very wrong about something. There are so many other "free" countries.
Gosh it annoys and insults me when Bush supporters imply America is the greatest, freest, most liberal country in the world. I have lived in Europe, Asia and Australia, and I am constantly shocked at how oppressive America is. The fact Bush can get up there and talk the way he does about things like homosexuality, as well as the fact he can get away with combining politics and religion....well, it's just not what liberty is all about. :angry:


And I thought this was a thread about supporting Kerry.
 
Natalia said:
Gosh it annoys and insults me when Bush supporters imply America is the greatest, freest, most liberal country in the world. I have lived in Europe, Asia and Australia, and I am constantly shocked at how oppressive America is. The fact Bush can get up there and talk the way he does about things like homosexuality, as well as the fact he can get away with combining politics and religion....well, it's just not what liberty is all about. :angry:
And I thought this was a thread about supporting Kerry.
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yea it just pisses me off, because it's just not true. Whatever happened to keeping church and state separate? <_<

yea it was, but apparently conservatives still feel like voicing their opinion here.
 
Natalia said:
The fact Bush can get up there and talk the way he does about things like homosexuality....well, it's just not what liberty is all about. :angry:
And I thought this was a thread about supporting Kerry.
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I still can't believe that someone who has views like this won over America and is in office again.
 
iheartalias said:
I still can't believe that someone who has views like this won over America and is in office again.
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I know! It's very scary the BS people believe without examining the evidence from reliable sources. People need to view the evidence for themselves and not let others tell them what to think. However, some people can hear the evidence but they dismiss it.

One source I find eye-opening is www.democracynow.org. They are independent from corporate influence (as far as I know). They have a daily digest you can receive by email so you can learn about what's really going on in the world, not what someone wants you to believe. Also, BBC news has comprehensive reports that provide the facts and not "spin."

We need the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and we're not getting it from the Bush administration!

Oh, and someone up thread mentioned that it wasn't Bush's fault that 9/11 happened. Bush and company (particularly Condi Rice, the National Security Advisor) ignored the memos that said "Bin Laden intends to strike inside US" and obviously their negligence was devastating. The bushies weren't the ones flying airplanes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, but they sure didn't take appropriate steps to address the probable occurence. These memos were going around for EIGHT months. Plenty of time to do something about it--Bush was on vacation all of August, the month before 9/11.
 
ETA, I will no longer post in this thread because it is the "anti-Bush, Kerry Club" thread, and I am very pro-Bush and would not be in a "Kerry Club". I did not mean to upset anyone, and I respect all of your opinions, but I get a little hurt when people start bashing the USA/being an American. (I had to say something, but I won't anymore.) Everyone is free to feel the way they feel.... Take care! Peace!

Same here...it's just not worth it. Not because some people are too damn conservative but some think Bush is better off in office then Kerry-some people have to get that thru their heads
 
Can i join?
Add your name to the list. :smiley:



"Bush is unusually incurious, abnormally unintelligent, amazingly inarticulate, fantastically uncultured, extraordinarily uneducated, and apparently quite proud of all these things."
Christopher Hitchens



Embarrassing Moron
British teenage singer Charlotte Church told a London paper she found pResident Bush "kind of stupid" when she sang at his preinauguration celebration .
That's because when little Charlotte told Bush she was from Wales, she said he replied, "Uh, what state is that in"?



Thank you to whoever it was who posted the link to this in another thread. :smiley:

An open letter to the Red-State victors:
With hard work and superb organization, you have triumphed over John Kerry and the forces of Blue-state paternalism. Congratulations. The multinational corporations that hold you in bondage remain free to profit off your sweat nearly tax free, while their overpaid senior execs continue to pay a pittance in personal income tax.

Your primary and secondary schools will continue to turn out third-rate pupils with limited opportunities, while you enjoy the satisfaction of making it on your own without health care when a catastrophic illness bankrupts your family.

Your agricultural universities will continue issuing Ph.D.s in football, and bogus Protestant Evangelical and Fundamentalist theology, and how to jerk off a bull safely. Your children will learn to borrow enough money to erect chicken houses so that they, like you, can take custody -- not possession, but custody -- of Tyson's chicks, feed them, rear them, assume losses from those that fail to thrive, and in the end earn just enough money to service their endless debt, and realize a profit of perhaps $12K a year. Your bank thanks you; Tyson thanks you; George W. Bush thanks you; and I thank you.

You can continue sending your sons to die in Iraq on a fool's errand. When you bury them, you can console yourselves with Bush's platitudes about their heroic mission to defend America from weapons of mass destruction.

You can savor the deficit spending that stimulates commerce today, but will cripple the US economy in ten or fifteen years' time when the bills come due with interest. Perhaps a Democrat will be in office at that time, who can be blamed for W's delayed economic fiasco.

You can continue believing, as Republican Party brainwashing has persuaded you, that we, your neighbors, are your enemies. You can believe that we have no morals; that we pimp out our teenage daughters for Internet porn; that we eat babies; that we are all gay; that we are cowards on the battlefield; and that we want to run your lives and give you AIDS.

Here's a clue: we are not your enemies; we are your countrymen. Your enemies are the greedy multinationals that the Republican Party bends over backwards to accommodate. Incidentally, most of them are based in Blue states, as are their Republican owners and major shareholders.

Here in the Blue States, Democrats and Republicans alike generate the lion's share of America's wealth, although it is you Reds who provide the lion's share of the stoop labor. You are our Mexicans, so to speak. We could not have accomplished the economic miracle that is America without your willing capitulation to a system that lies to you and f***s you over at every turn.

Look at economic output and educational achievement on a state-by-state basis: it's painfully evident that we Blues are immensely more productive and better educated than you Reds. We have lots more money. We live longer. We eat better. We work less. We f*** more. We do cocaine and smoke fine Canadian buds, not the homebrew crank and cheap Mexican headache reefer you guys are stuck with. We drink French wine and Stoli martinis, not Budweiser. Our children rarely bother us: we've got them on Ritalin and Prozac. Our teeth are straighter and whiter, our necks longer, and our fingernails cleaner. And many of us are the Republican elite who have just punked you.

It's good to be a Blue, regardless of which party you join.

Understandably, you resent us, so you've fabricated an imaginary measure of superiority: Christian "values." Yet you talk about values the way a pre-teen girl talks about "love" in fan letters to Ashton Kutcher. You recycle quasi-religious platitudes and received slogans. You know nothing of moral theology, a rigorous philosophical pursuit that hardly exists outside the Catholic Church and its elite universities. You make of the Bible what you will; you attend prayer meetings with other semi-literates, where you reinforce each other's sloppy understandings of the text, and combine them with half-digested bits of old-timey Hallmark-card "wisdom." And when you spout gibberish, you call it "speaking in tongues." You actually fancy that you're saints, you silly, narcissistic creatures.

Nevertheless, you are fellow Americans. The Blue Republican elite encouraged you to vote for George W Bush, because they quite simply own him, and they know that his administration will make policies that help them, even if hurt you. We Blue Democrats voted for John Kerry because we believed he would minister to your needs better than Bush. A President Kerry would have shared some of our wealth with you, assured your health care, raised the minimum wage, and checked the rapacious greed of the multinationals that hold you in thrall.

President Kerry would have helped us to help you, which is all that we ask. It pains us to see you in wage slavery. It pains us to see you so ignorant and uneducated, and so eager to place yourselves in bondage. Yes, we live better; but we wish you to live better too, even if it means sacrifice on our part.

What we wanted for you would have been far better than that which you, in your ignorant pride, demanded for yourselves. Oh, you defeated us all right, but only to your detriment.

We Blues will come out of the Bush era no worse for wear, although you Reds will come out very much diminished, deeper in debt, and less able to improve your circumstances by your own powers. But because you wish to be flattered more than helped, you will be grateful for your ass f***ing from the Blue-state Republican elite that is laughing behind your backs today.

We did not wish it so. We honestly did want to help.

On 2 November, you thanked us by electing a shrewd, manipulative handmaiden to corporate America who panders to you while ruthlessly exploiting your ignorance and weakness for the benefit of his patrons in the national plutocracy. There is nothing we can do about that. You won fair and square.

We should let you rot. We should secede and leave you to fend for yourselves. Then you will see firsthand just how dependent you are. We are sick of fighting for you by fighting against you. Perhaps, when you see how dreary your lives have become without us, you will finally develop the spine to fight for your basic, human rights. And then we will gladly confront the plutocracy alongside you. We need your help to defeat the Blue Republicans, who, I assure you, are just as decadent as we are, though often richer.

But until you finally learn to respect yourselves, we can't respect you, and we therefore can't be bothered to give a rat's ass about you.

So let us secede, Blue America and Red America. We can handle the Blue state Republicans, so long as we don't have a lot of ignorant Red state lemmings frustrating our efforts and screwing themselves in the bargain. Secession will enable us both to live as we have chosen without the other's interference. We will prosper, and you will get a clue.

But do stay in touch after the borders slam shut. When you finally tire of living on the modern, corporate plantations of Cargill, Tyson, ConAgra and Smithfield; when you tire of shopping at Wal-Mart and sending your daughters to sling hash at Denny's in hopes that they'll meet the nicer sort of truck driver; when you tire of sneaking into Blue America as illegal white-trash wetbacks eager for casual work dusting our parlors; and when, like men, you finally rise up in rebellion against this immoral usury -- then, and only then, let us talk.

We'll gladly get your backs. But first you must grow the brains and the balls needed to profit from our help. ®
 
Double posting - don't kill me!! :Ph34r:

You Might Be A Republican If...

• You've tried to argue that poverty could be abolished if people were just allowed to keep more of their minimum wage.

• You've ever referred to someone as "my (insert racial or ethnic minority here) friend".

You're a pro-lifer, but support the death penalty.

• You think you might remember laughing once as a kid.

• You once broke loose at a party and removed your neck tie.

You've ever uttered the phrase,"Why don't we just bomb the sons-of-b****es?"

• You've ever called a secretary or waitress "Tootsie".

You don't think "The Simpsons" is all that funny, but you watch it because that Flanders fellow makes a lot of sense.

• You've argued that art has a "moral foundation set in Western values."

You argue that you need 300 handguns, in case a bear ever attacks your home.

• Vietnam makes a lot of sense to you.

• You've ever said "Clean air? Looks clean to me."

• You've ever called education a luxury.

• You're afraid of the "liberal media."

• You ever based an argument on the phrase, "Well, tradition dictates...."

• You confuse Lenin with Lennon.
 
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