Politics Universal Health Care
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Azhria Lilu
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Yes, it is in Billions (but note that an American billion is a thousand million, while some other countries treat a billion as a million million. One billion = 1,000,000,000)
Last year (FY03) the U. S. Government spent $318 Billion of our money on interest payments* to the holders of the National Debt
Source (it's a great site): http://www.federalbudget.com/
Last year (FY03) the U. S. Government spent $318 Billion of our money on interest payments* to the holders of the National Debt
Source (it's a great site): http://www.federalbudget.com/
VaughnsAHottie
Cadet
Ok Just making a comment on previous posts....even though other countries have done this they are first of all not in debt...and second they usually have a smaller population...oh and by the way great links
Azhria Lilu
Captain
Azhria Lilu
Captain
It's per day 
VaughnsAHottie
Cadet
Hmm just adding WOW thats a lot per day Law knows how much it is per second or something it's sad......
Azhria Lilu
Captain
Yes, that is a trillion. But to read about the confusion about Billion, read this: Billion - WikipediaSophie said:Yeah I know what a billion is.
Not my money :lol:
Once again thanks for the link.
:thud: Let me breathe.
Is a trillion 1,000,000,000,000 ? We don't even have a word in french for that. :lol:
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Street_Soldier
Cadet
If you want Universal Healthcare come to Canada! I think Canada ownz! We have progressive taxation which is kinda unfair but it works. Everyone is all smiles
BUT!!!
In the US i hear an average medical insurance plan is roughly 100 USD (or 130 CDN) dollars a month. I hear its pretty good. <correct me if i m wrong >
Here in Canada every Canadian pays around 300 CDN (or 230 USD) dollars a month(in tax). And you know what... everyone says its felgercarb on a stick.
So i ll have to say that Universal Healthcare blows... in Canada.
I still love CANADA
BUT!!!
In the US i hear an average medical insurance plan is roughly 100 USD (or 130 CDN) dollars a month. I hear its pretty good. <correct me if i m wrong >
Here in Canada every Canadian pays around 300 CDN (or 230 USD) dollars a month(in tax). And you know what... everyone says its felgercarb on a stick.
So i ll have to say that Universal Healthcare blows... in Canada.
I still love CANADA
AliasHombre
Cadet
The government is accountable to no one. Most of this system would not be elected representatives, rather people who always work there, like a normal job. The elected representatives are not accountable becasue even if they get the boot, the new reps will likely do the same thing.Charlie said:I trust the government more than a for-profit company
For one thing, the government is accountable to us, not to stockholders.
Also, this has worked in other countries.
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AliasHombre
Cadet
Those numbers are extremely misleading.Charlie said:
The gdp if russia is about 1.3 trillion
The gdp of America is about 11 trillion.
Makes sense that we spend more beuse we have more....than anyone
A better way of evaluating who spends what on defense is to look at it as a percentage of their gdp.
PunkRockGirl
Cadet
What?
Does that mean if someone has a bigger house then someone else they are racist? People deserve what they work for. And how many of these people who "can't afford health care" waste money on cigarettes, fancy cars and jewelry. I work at McDonalds while I put myself through college. I didn't have much money but i made sure I had some sort of health care. I graduated and got a good job. Now I have a good health care plan.
I don’t trust the government to be accountable with our money. Do you know what they spend on supplies, business dinners and things? A while ago people were angry because someone was allowed to spend $500 on an ice bucket.
And that is the wonderful thing about capitalism. If you don’t like how a company is treating you or spending money, you can take your money somewhere else.
Sophie
in love
I just think everyone has the right to get health care, whatever they do (smokers or non-smokers). It's just intolerance to think not everyone can, so I compared that with racism. But it has nothing to do with a bigger house. :blink:PunkRockGirl said:What?
Does that mean if someone has a bigger house then someone else they are racist? People deserve what they work for. And how many of these people who "can't afford health care" waste money on cigarettes, fancy cars and jewelry. I work at McDonalds while I put myself through college. I didn't have much money but i made sure I had some sort of health care. I graduated and got a good job. Now I have a good health care plan.
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It's good to hear that, but some people aren't like you, they won't do what they can to have health care (maybe it's stupid from them), but I think they still should be helped.
Sophie said:
I think everyone should have the right to healthcare as well; and under America's current system, they do have the right, but they need to put a little effort in to get it. The government does have programs to support people who do not receive healthcare through their work, but the system isn't perfect. That being said, national healthcare is NOT the right way to go. Universal healthcare is socialism...pure and simple. The U.S. is not a socialist country and we did not become the wealthiest and most diverse nation in the world by giving things away for free. You have to work for the American dream, you have to put some effort in. Once we start moving away from the capiltalistic precepts that our country is built on, our nation as a whole will take a step backward. Universal healthcare may be a good option for France or Canada, but it won't work for us.
Also, I am pretty sure PunkRockGirl's comment about the bigger house was a comment toward working for what you get here in America. Those people with larger houses have worked for their money and those people DESERVE a larger house for their efforts.
Leslie
Super Fantastisch
Adding to what I said in the other thread...
Here's the deal with "giving money right to the poor":
(1) Handouts. Are. Bad. For the economy, for you and me, for FREEDOM, and most of all to the poor themselves. Handouts teach people to be lazy and give the government unwarranted control over individuals. It's just a bad idea all around, even if it LOOKS good in the beginning. And from a more selfish perspective, if I am paying taxes I expect my money to go towards things that benefit EVERYONE (including me), not just to be taken from me and given to someone else. I can easily do that via charitable organizations like The Salvation Army (which everyone should do if they can afford it, IMO).
(2) "Giving money to the rich" is simply flat tax! :lol: It's just taking away the tiers to the tax system so that everyone gives an EQUAL PERCENTAGE of their income to the government. It's not handing anything out -- it's allowing people who make more money to keep more of it.
(3) The "top 1%" wealthy Americans control the economy because they control so much of our resources and businesses, which is why they are rich. A vicious cycle, maybe, BUT -- since this is so, it is necessary to work around it. By giving them more money, they invest more in the country, creating more jobs, lowering unemployment, and raising the general status of the economy (as well as helping with inflation), which in turn helps "the regular guy," and the "poor."
That's all for now from me. ^_^ Feel free to comment and I'll reply!
Les
ETA: As for where Healthcare fits into all of this -- I don't remember. :lol: But I felt the need to defend the idea I wrote abt in the other thread. ^_^
Here's the deal with "giving money right to the poor":
(1) Handouts. Are. Bad. For the economy, for you and me, for FREEDOM, and most of all to the poor themselves. Handouts teach people to be lazy and give the government unwarranted control over individuals. It's just a bad idea all around, even if it LOOKS good in the beginning. And from a more selfish perspective, if I am paying taxes I expect my money to go towards things that benefit EVERYONE (including me), not just to be taken from me and given to someone else. I can easily do that via charitable organizations like The Salvation Army (which everyone should do if they can afford it, IMO).
(2) "Giving money to the rich" is simply flat tax! :lol: It's just taking away the tiers to the tax system so that everyone gives an EQUAL PERCENTAGE of their income to the government. It's not handing anything out -- it's allowing people who make more money to keep more of it.
(3) The "top 1%" wealthy Americans control the economy because they control so much of our resources and businesses, which is why they are rich. A vicious cycle, maybe, BUT -- since this is so, it is necessary to work around it. By giving them more money, they invest more in the country, creating more jobs, lowering unemployment, and raising the general status of the economy (as well as helping with inflation), which in turn helps "the regular guy," and the "poor."
That's all for now from me. ^_^ Feel free to comment and I'll reply!
Les
ETA: As for where Healthcare fits into all of this -- I don't remember. :lol: But I felt the need to defend the idea I wrote abt in the other thread. ^_^
But what about situations like this:
a single mother, grew up in a poor area, didn't get a good education. After having her second child her husband left her.
She works two minimum wage jobs -- just so that she can meet the bills and hopefully give her kids something better.
She can't afford the insurance --does this mean that she needs to work harder in order to get health care?
Or my families situation: my sister has Spina Bifida. In the span of one year she had eight surgeries and spent the entire year in hospital. if we didn't live in Canada we couldn't have afforded it. My sister would have been left to deal with the pain and basically suffer through it -- for the rest of her life.
My mom couldn't have done anything about it. She's a single parent raising three kids. What choice would she have?
I guess my belief is more of a "I'd rather give up a little to give something back to someone else". Money isn't that important to me, because there is only so much you can do with it.
ETA: lol Les, you realize the other thread is still over there, don't you?
ETA:
a single mother, grew up in a poor area, didn't get a good education. After having her second child her husband left her.
She works two minimum wage jobs -- just so that she can meet the bills and hopefully give her kids something better.
She can't afford the insurance --does this mean that she needs to work harder in order to get health care?
Or my families situation: my sister has Spina Bifida. In the span of one year she had eight surgeries and spent the entire year in hospital. if we didn't live in Canada we couldn't have afforded it. My sister would have been left to deal with the pain and basically suffer through it -- for the rest of her life.
My mom couldn't have done anything about it. She's a single parent raising three kids. What choice would she have?
I guess my belief is more of a "I'd rather give up a little to give something back to someone else". Money isn't that important to me, because there is only so much you can do with it.
ETA: lol Les, you realize the other thread is still over there, don't you?
ETA:
How do you know it's not the right way to go, or it wont work. If it's never been tried?
Sophie
in love
Well I'm a socialist, so I can't even think of something different than the universal healthcare.mac said:
So it's still about the American Dream ?!
Yes people have to deserve what they get. But for health, it's just totally different, don't you think everyone has the right to be healthy even in America with your system ?!ALIAS_RULES
Cadet
AliasHombre said:
If you think the US has limited resources... geez then, it's the end of the world! How come so many other countries can successfully do it? Why is that the United States has to be the one that has 44 million people who have no health care? Look at countries like the UK, Canada, Netherlands, Australia, and many more who have realized that people should have a right to be given health care treatement. Imagine you lost your job, and you couldn't afford to continually pay these insurance costs. How would that feel being sick, and not being able to go to the doctor? The reason for these extremely high health care costs are:
1) It's private. Of course, in the US, health care is a business.
2) Insurance companies charge a hell of a lot of money for good treatement.
There are even more barriers, depending on the plan you choose, you may not get the required treatement.
No Canadian citizen or immigrant is denied health care treatement if doctors believe they qualify. That is how it should be! However, I'm pretty sure that teh insurance companies have a lot to say about this. They don't wanna lose all that money do they?
