Giants Existed 100,000 - 10,000 Years Ago?

JRenee

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As I've studied early human evolution and tools, I find myself wondering why the classic "chain of evolution" picture starts with a small ape hominid and then proceeds to get bigger until it reaches our height and posture of modern homosapien sapiens... especially when we have unearthed fossils standing 7ft and taller of archaic man. Why does the picture only suggest that we evolved from small apes when science keeps finding giant hominids more often than the little australpithicus aferensis, "Lucy"? and even rarer still, the homo floresiensis or "Hobbits".

Meet Homo-Heidelbergensis, a meganthropus often called "Homo-rhodesiensis" averaging 8 feet tall. That was just average! The tallest giant of giants was estimated 10-15 feet tall (Castlenau Giant/Montpellier giants) He walked with the typical "caveman posture", hunched over, shoulder muscles engulfing his neck, giving him a rather brutish appearance. Very strong upper body strength, known for making large stone axes. Massive knee and ankle bones, enormous feet and toe bones (they had to be massive to support his 500lb-1500lb weight)... How did they come to be?

Megafauna existed in many (I could say nearly all) species, the largest centipede (the arthropleura) fossil found was 8ft long (alive 250 million years ago), giant sloths, giant bears, giant horses, giant mammoths, giant birds, giant sharks... do I really have to mention the giant lizards that roamed around long before that? ... But what about hominins? what made them start small but grow so tall? the amount of oxygen in the air? an abundance of food? was it simply a gradual mutation (evolution) from the sun's radiation? ... Aliens?
Could the ancient Chinese giant ape, gigantopithecus, have fooled around with early hominins? (ouch!)

Why don't science books talk about meganthropus but they talk about Lucy? How come it seems most other animals evolved from a large animal and shrank down in size over the years while we've started small and expanded?

I'd just like to point out, Castlenau and Montpellier are in France... the same place that Andre the Giant was from. http://rephaim23.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/prehistoric-giants-of-france-and-spain/
 

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JRenee, welcome! I see you're a Corgi fan! I think they'd be a fun dog but with my wife's allergies it would not have worked out so we adopted a Bichon-Maltese mix. Have you see the anime series Cowboy Bebop that had a Corgi named Ein?

... But what about hominins? what made them start small but grow so tall? the amount of oxygen in the air? an abundance of food? was it simply a gradual mutation (evolution) from the sun's radiation? ... Aliens?
It has been some time since I've been in a classroom that dealt with the subject but isn't the general attribution for it related to disease control & environment, starting with the transition from hunter-gatherers to farmers?
 

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It has been some time since I've been in a classroom that dealt with the subject but isn't the general attribution for it related to disease control & environment, starting with the transition from hunter-gatherers to farmers?
That would help explain the popular picture of the chain of evolution but it doesn't explain the 8-15ft hominins found mostly in Europe/Russia/Asia/North America... Being Native American myself, I know there are stories of giants in Native American folklore from 30,000 years ago.

Here is Heidelbergensis compared to Flores (aka the Hobbit) as well as modern man.
 

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That would help explain the popular picture of the chain of evolution but it doesn't explain the 8-15ft hominins found mostly in Europe/Russia/Asia/North America... Being Native American myself, I know there are stories of giants in Native American folklore from 30,000 years ago.

Here is Heidelbergensis compared to Flores (aka the Hobbit) as well as modern man.
Earliest evidence of cultivating crops is 20,000 years ago. --- (I meant to make this an edit to the above reply) \^_^/
 
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Het JRenee. I'm a descendant of Native American and Irish blood, and my Cherokee great-great grandfather was 8 feet tall. And I think the bottom line is this, the bigger the brain the bigger the body has to be. And since the neocortex part of a brain, the part that has to do with planning and complex thought, there were some who developed their neocortex before others. That's why they were called gods that brought agriculture and language to the people.
 

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Earliest evidence of cultivating crops is 20,000 years ago. --- (I meant to make this an edit to the above reply) \^_^/
OK, if we take natural selection & evolution out of the mix, I have a new theory.... :whistle:

Just about every ancient civilization, including Native Americans, has some type of mythology that involves visitors from the stars. There are location scattered throughout the world that some believe served as ancient UFO bases for these visitors to land their craft at. At these bases it would be logical to believe that the local population would assist with the maintenance of the craft while they are visiting. The craft, depending on the visitors, location, and time, could have a number of different propulsion systems. Like the modern Godzilla mythos, my new theory then is that the 'giants' were the result of exposure to the UFO propulsion systems and the mutated gene has been passed down in their family tree resulting in the occasional modern day 'giant' such as Andre The Giant.
 

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Giant-ism in H.(genus homo) began rising up around 100,000 years ago. Alchemate, A bigger brain doesn't always mean a well developed brain. I would argue that the frontal and temporal lobe would be most important in understanding things like decision making, long term and new memory creation, problem solving, refined motor skills, understanding communication/cooperation, emotion, learning and making new memories. If you look at the skulls of H. Heidelbergensis and H. Flores, you'd see a pinched shape just behind the temples of H. Heidel and a moderately short forehead. This indicates less development of the frontal and temporal lobes while you'd find more of a rounding behind the temples of H. Flores and a taller forhead indicating higher developed temporal lobe yet Flores had a very small brain compared to Heidel.
Flores compared to H. Sapiens Sapien (modern)
http://cryptomundo.com/wp-content/floresskull_01.jpg
Heidelbergensis
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/resources-rx/images/1008/homo-heidelbergensis-broken-hill-skull-110297-1.jpg
The brain started developing when H. began fishing. Fish are rich in omega3 (brain nutrient) but as far as we know, H. didn't really start fishing until 40,000 years ago. It's possible early H. knew fish were food because they got lucky a few times and caught some here or there. One fish here or there was good for you but when your 3-5 meals a day consisted of fish because you learned how to make a net, you've got a lot of brain nutrients to work with.
Our diets before that consisted of seeds and legumes, tiger nuts, berries and small simple grains like millet and rice, corn, however, grains back then looked way different than they do now because of hybridization and genetic engineering. Common wheat (which is the most consumed grain now and also the least nutrient rich of all grains... whose idea was it to do that to wheat!?) is genetically modified by humans and no longer considered natural because it couldn't be created with natural hybrid breeding techniques...Corn has come a very long way as well, a long time ago, corn was the size of your pinky. I could go on and on about grains.. (the best grains to eat are soaked ancient grains like spelt and amaranth) or food in general... I love it. lol.. How could I forget to mention that Dinosaurs were incredible sizes but they had some of the tiniest brains?

Kevin: You may be on to something, but aliens would have had to visit 100,000 years ago or so to accidentally or purposefully contaminate our gene pool with mutations that created the Meganthropus species.
It's still debated today but the most recent consensus about migration is that H. didn't travel down into the Central and South Americas until around 18,000 years ago. The arctic, Canada and the Pacific Northwest was home to most of the Americas early H. tribes. It's interesting to think that Native Americans were once foreign to the Americas. :)
 

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Just about every ancient civilization, including Native Americans, has some type of mythology that involves visitors from the stars. There are location scattered throughout the world that some believe served as ancient UFO bases for these visitors to land their craft at. At these bases it would be logical to believe that the local population would assist with the maintenance of the craft while they are visiting. The craft, depending on the visitors, location, and time, could have a number of different propulsion systems. Like the modern Godzilla mythos, my new theory then is that the 'giants' were the result of exposure to the UFO propulsion systems and the mutated gene has been passed down in their family tree resulting in the occasional modern day 'giant' such as Andre The Giant.
Hmmm... so giant-ism would happen every time the aliens would visit and we would assist with maintenance?
 

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Hmmm... so giant-ism would happen every time the aliens would visit and we would assist with maintenance?
Or at least the visits would be the progenitor of the giant-ism due to the mutated genes. It could be a few generations before the mutated gene kicked in so the aliens could be long gone while some of the families of the original maintenance workers would be seeing giants born.
 

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Humans are humans, apes are apes, monkeys are moneys, gorillas are gorillas, there is a big difference, if those critters "evolved" would they not be the same as man? Lol. Darn you Planet of Apes! lol. Now I have seen folks with ape like appearances, but that's just a coincidence, not fact.:cool:
Looks different to me.;)
 

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I have noticed something odd. These young critters today are all tall, I wonder if someone is messin' with the gene pool? Tall, back pack carrying, over emotional, and slightly weird, critters.;):LOL: Odd, very odd. But as Zeppelin says ill just Ramble on with the grace from the Lord above....:cool: