Blah, okay, they are from a half hour from me, here's the deal, the music they play is pretty basic, people dislike them mainly because of their lack of music prowess, and it has slightly to do with the fact that they are "posers," but they apparenetly even admitted to not being punk rock, but they are also, from all the people I know who have met them or know them, not the nicest people or have changed from nice to people to not so nice people, at least Joel and Benji, that's why this mysterious fifth drummer you mention left. And for all they sing about being poor and from the ghetto, WALDORF ISN'T A GHETTO, they sure are doing some excellent things with their money, <<<sarcasm. Sorry, wee bit bitter that they are painting our area as a horrible place. But I'm glad that people connect with them, their message, and find their music enjoyable, I believe that you should enjoy your music not matter what anyone else says. So keep on keeping on, but that's just why I and many of my friends dislike them.