Politics Over Indulgence in America

sycofancy said:
I am not a big fan, or a fan at all, of the military or killing of any kind, but I enjoy being informed about world events through means other then cable news or the local paper which recent studies show 75% of Americans employ as a means of being informed.

Just because something makes me angry doesn't mean I have any intention of tuning it out.
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well, i'm one of those 75% of Americans. where do you get your information, then? and i'm not trying to be rude, that was an honest question.
 
sycofancy said:
Bill Gates is one American amoung many who do nothing.

You are right the world is not all black and white, but not every issue and every person is ambiguous. There will always be a majority and a minority in everything.
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a majority and minority, yes, but a lot of posts i've read fail to even acknowledge the minority.
 
oh, and yes, Bill Gates is one among many, but he is one of if not the wealthiest person in America. what about the everyday people who continually do good things, but remain unnoticed and unacknowledged?
 
I have subscriptions to the New York Times as well as US News and World Report for my mainstream media. In addition I read The Socialist Worker and The Revolutionary Worker, they are publication with a socialist and communists slant respectivly. I also get the Boston Globe to read about my own area.

I also read the news on www.indymedia.org as well as that posted on www.infoshop.org.

All of this media has a liberal or conservative slant depending on it's audience, but as it is impossible to just get facts these days, I like to read storys from every angle and then make a dicision.
 
xdancer said:
sycofancy said:
Bill Gates is one American amoung many who do nothing.

You are right the world is not all black and white, but not every issue and every person is ambiguous. There will always be a majority and a minority in everything.
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a majority and minority, yes, but a lot of posts i've read fail to even acknowledge the minority.
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What is there to say about the minority, they are a good people who take just their share and help others. There is nothing to debate about them really. They are good, everyone should be like them.
 
xdancer said:
oh, and yes, Bill Gates is one among many, but he is one of if not the wealthiest person in America. what about the everyday people who continually do good things, but remain unnoticed and unacknowledged?
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Well if everyone was doing good things then it would not be so speical, and the US wouldn't be seen as an all consuming monster, and that would be wonderful.
 
i never said everyone was doing good things, but some people do, and they do it anonymously and don't ask for recognition. but people conveniently forget all the good Americans who care about the world and conserving it when they want to tag the whole nation as the evil, all-consuming monster. this generalization reminds me of last year when some of my conservative relatives when they tried to tag all of France and Germany as "pansies" i believe the term was, or something along those lines.
 
xdancer said:
i never said everyone was doing good things, but some people do, and they do it anonymously and don't ask for recognition. but people conveniently forget all the good Americans who care about the world and conserving it when they want to tag the whole nation as the evil, all-consuming monster. this generalization reminds me of last year when some of my conservative relatives when they tried to tag all of France and Germany as "pansies" i believe the term was, or something along those lines.
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I don't denie that there are good Americans.....I know there is.
However, they get over-shadowed by the vast majority who are ignorant, which is sad -_-

And thank you for not bad mouthing the French and German among others.....I hate people who do that; especialy concidering most of them who bad-mouth them have never even left the US :lol:

Freedom fries :rolleyes:


~~Spongy!
 
xdancer said:
i never said everyone was doing good things, but some people do, and they do it anonymously and don't ask for recognition. but people conveniently forget all the good Americans who care about the world and conserving it when they want to tag the whole nation as the evil, all-consuming monster. this generalization reminds me of last year when some of my conservative relatives when they tried to tag all of France and Germany as "pansies" i believe the term was, or something along those lines.
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Well when the nation is fighting a useless war that no one really wanted, it is pretty hard to call the nation raging that war wonderful and nice just because they did the national equivalent of helping a little old lady cross the road.

Every country is viewed by what they do on the public stage, and what America does on the public stage is not so wonderful.
 
SpongeBobSquarePants said:
xdancer said:
i never said everyone was doing good things, but some people do, and they do it anonymously and don't ask for recognition.  but people conveniently forget all the good Americans who care about the world and conserving it when they want to tag the whole nation as the evil, all-consuming monster.  this generalization reminds me of last year when some of my conservative relatives when they tried to tag all of France and Germany as "pansies" i believe the term was, or something along those lines.
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I don't denie that there are good Americans.....I know there is.
However, they get over-shadowed by the vast majority who are ignorant, which is sad -_-

And thank you for not bad mouthing the French and German among others.....I hate people who do that; especialy concidering most of them who bad-mouth them have never even left the US :lol:

Freedom fries :rolleyes:


~~Spongy!
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the bad-mouthing the French and the Germans drives me crazy for the same reason bad-mouthing Americans does. and the whole freedom fries thing has got to be the most idiotic, childish thing i've ever heard of.

and national equivalent of helping a little old lady cross a road...hmm, harsh. tell me then, what have other countries done? and i know i'm broadcasting my ignorance here, something i'll probably later regret, but i really don't know. so if America is so horrible as a nation, why are the other nations better? what do they do that's so much more than what America does?
 
What does it matter what other countries have done? My whole issue was what America does to other countries and what the American government does to it's own people. My point is America is the leader of the free world, more or less, and as such I think money that is going to fight war would be better spent mainly on the American people, but in areas of intrnational concern on aid and aid only.

I guess really what other countries have done is kept to themselves in international matters, given their people free healthcare, and signed treaties with other countries to abolish nuclear weapons and try to save the environment. All things the US has not done.
 
Funny that you would say that on the day Bush's approval rating dropped below 50%, due to a little discrepency involving the chief weapons inspector saying (in not so many words) the president lied to everyone about weapons of mass destruction.

Go USA! Less the half the population approves of "our" leader.

Obviously I am in idiot for being in the MAJORITY that does not favor Bush.

Please feel free to pick up a newpaper the next time you wish to call me stupid.

You can read all about it here if you wish.
 
sycofancy said:
Funny that you would say that on the day Bush's approval rating dropped below 50%, due to a little discrepency involving the chief weapons inspector saying (in not so many words) the president lied to everyone about weapons of mass destruction.

Go USA! Less the half the population approves of "our" leader.

Obviously I am in idiot for being in the MAJORITY that does not favor Bush.

Please feel free to pick up a newpaper the next time you wish to call me stupid.
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please feel free to viwe gallop polls on the issue of iraq and you will see that the lowest the support for the was has ever been was 49%, usually it has always been above 60%


by the way, bush inherited all of the intel from the cia after mr clinton destroyed the cia.
 
If you read only the mainstream media. If you make the effort to read several prospectives and come to your own conclusions, then that cliche is null and void.
 
Did you know that Americans take less vacation per year than almost any other country in the world. There's only one other country with less, but I can't remember what it is. That's not indulgent. Unless you consider it indulging in work.
 
It's not indulgent for the American worker, but indulgent for the American corporation who insists workers work all year long lest they losse their jobs.

It's more corporate greed in action.
 

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