I understand that he had to leave Carnivale for Galactica--which is too bad. I really liked his work on Carnivale and on ST: Deep Space Nine, my favorite Trek series.Milferd said:Ronald D. Moore the executive producer for Carnivale is the man responsible for the new Battlestar Galactica so I am doubly interested in Carnivale now. He does spin a dark rich character story, real dark but good.
True enough and when you see them on American TV, you generally see them repackaged: that is, cut and the stories altered for rating (Y7/G) and relatively incomprehensible reasons (apparently to provide more generic comic sidekick support? to make the hero more heroic at the cost of supporting characters?). "Uncut" versions of some anime series are coming out on DVD that include the subtitled Japanese dialog (in some cases, the voice actors are extremely good & well-cast) and a dub that closely follows the original script--and of course, everything is there, including all the violence that is cut for the US/international versions. When you watch the repackaged versions, you have to look harder sometimes to see the themes because of the tinkering . . . and that's too bad. (Knowing what's going to come up, in some cases, it's almost entertaining to wonder what the heck the censors at the licensees are going to do. :lolI agree I love how rich and adult the background themes can be in anime. I have read that anime is defiantly considered an mainstream media for adults in Japan and not considered just for kids. One I have gotten into recently Mobile Suit Gundam Seed It’s background is a war between genetically modified humans and the normal humans and I can empathize with both sides and there are noble good guys on both sides wrestling with the fact that they may have to kill each other. I don’t know if you could air something like this on US TV because even though at first glance it looks like it’s for kids the FCC would have trouble with the mass killings and things like a shooting down an unarmed shuttle with small children you had seen interacting with the hero just shortly before.
True enough, but I'd say that she looks a bit more fair than that baby does.Who said Lauren was a natural blonde?
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I usually try to pick a quote, and there weren't many good ones--this one was obvious. You know I wasn't copying because I don't have time to visit other sites.
Heehee, I figured as much.lenafan said:V posted:
Hell, I wasn't even thinking that...just that we had the same quote in mind.
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Frankly, members of her family could use some forgiveness and I'm asking whether you think that Sydney is thoughtful enough to think this (the stuff with Vaughn) over and generous enough to grant forgiveness to those who could use it most--namely Irina, and (most timely) Jack. Sydney's track record in this area is that she is relatively free with forgiveness toward strangers (Shepard, et al) and stingy with those closest to her (Jack, Sloane)--therefore my comment (I'm asking anyway).AliasFan#1 said:Sydney knows what it is like to be in a family in which some members do terrible things. Think of what her mother has done--and what her father has felt compelled to do in response to what her mother has done. Do you think that she considered Vaughn’s need for forgiveness and then broadened that with regard to her family? (Yes, and I’m asking anyway.) :blink: Come again? I'm not good with the psycological stuff and have no idea what your trying to ask.
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verdantheart said:Frankly, members of her family could use some forgiveness and I'm asking whether you think that Sydney is thoughtful enough to think this (the stuff with Vaughn) over and generous enough to grant forgiveness to those who could use it most--namely Irina, and (most timely) Jack. Sydney's track record in this area is that she is relatively free with forgiveness toward strangers (Shepard, et al) and stingy with those closest to her (Jack, Sloane)--therefore my comment (I'm asking anyway).
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kalias said:However.. wasn't Vaughn brainwashed or at least I was led to believe he was during his time with Lauren. In the deleted scenes there was one with Syd that clearly stated vaughn had underwent conditioning of some sort. If that doesn't scream brainwashing then i dont know what does. However, I do agree that Vaughn is coming to grips with the fact that he killed somebody and i think it would be difficult for him to face Sydney with this. But i do not think Vaughn ever really loved Lauren, i think he feels responsible for being with her and claims that he loved her..but did he really? In one of the last episodes of Season 3 after he found out about the conditioning , he told Sydney he would take all responsibility for him moving on and being with lauren and I think this is a way of doing so. and although vaughn would not be the type to marry someone just because he feels like it..why would he in good sense and conscience move on from sydney after a relatively short period of time without a little coaxing (and by that i mean BRAINWASHING) on Lauren's part
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kalias said:"Vaughn has always loved Sydney more than Lauren, even if he did love Lauren on some level. I mean, come on, he did marry her after all. Vaughn is not the type of man to marry someone just because he feels like it. He married her because he loved her and was hoping to find happiness in his life again without Sydney."
However.. wasn't Vaughn brainwashed or at least I was led to believe he was during his time with Lauren. In the deleted scenes there was one with Syd that clearly stated vaughn had underwent conditioning of some sort. If that doesn't scream brainwashing then i dont know what does. However, I do agree that Vaughn is coming to grips with the fact that he killed somebody and i think it would be difficult for him to face Sydney with this. But i do not think Vaughn ever really loved Lauren, i think he feels responsible for being with her and claims that he loved her..but did he really? In one of the last episodes of Season 3 after he found out about the conditioning , he told Sydney he would take all responsibility for him moving on and being with lauren and I think this is a way of doing so. and although vaughn would not be the type to marry someone just because he feels like it..why would he in good sense and conscience move on from sydney after a relatively short period of time without a little coaxing (and by that i mean BRAINWASHING) on Lauren's part
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The problem is that this information comes from a deleted scene. Therefore, this scene did not happen. Therefore, there might have been "brainwashing," but there might just as easily have not. Is the brainwashing thing even more of a trapdoor for the character, relieving him of moral responsibility and shifting it to the ever-more-evil Lauren? Perhaps this scene was deleted for a reason. -_-kalias said:However.. wasn't Vaughn brainwashed or at least I was led to believe he was during his time with Lauren. In the deleted scenes there was one with Syd that clearly stated vaughn had underwent conditioning of some sort. If that doesn't scream brainwashing then i dont know what does.
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